Marla_Singer
United in diversity
Loulong, you've forgotten to say that in 1944, Vichy regime ended to be replaced by an enlarged german occupation to the whole France. That had been done with not any fight. Could you find a better proof that Vichy was just a german puppet and absolutely not an independant France ?
If you want an accurate WW2 scenario, German should control all France in the end of June 1940. Vichy represented nothing but German guardianship on southern France. The fact that regime was made only of collaborators is inherent to the fact it was under german guardianship.
You're right when you say that Petain was more scared about communists than he was from nazi. Actually, in June 1940, when France has fallen, everybody agrees on the idea that Europe will be controlled either by the Nazis or by the USSR afterwards. It came in the mind of no one that the brits and the americans could come from the Atlantic Ocean. In the mind of no one except Churchill of course... (and for France De Gaulle).
Seriously, Vichy France represented nothing but a conqueered country under german guardianship. It's not because France had been invaded fast that it makes of them new Hitler's friend. That's disgusting to say so and you know why ? Because it makes it feel as if France was in the side of Germany by choice. And that is everything but true.
PS : Civ3 Democracy is invented at the end of the Middle Ages, just before the industrial age. That Democracy is modern Democracy... the basics of modern democracy is individualism (John Locke, UK) and the division of powers or check and balance (Montesquieu, France). The first country to apply Democracy was the US thanx to Jefferson who was a french philosopher fan. Voltaire, Rousseau, Montesquieu, D'Alembert, Diderot, Kant are all more important in the History of Democracy than Madison or Franklin.
Civ3 Republic is invented thanx to philosophy and code of laws at the end of the Ancient times. It is not presidential system, it's greek direct democracy. In the greek system, each city has its forum to discuss about current event. It has nothing to do with modern democracy.
If you want an accurate WW2 scenario, German should control all France in the end of June 1940. Vichy represented nothing but German guardianship on southern France. The fact that regime was made only of collaborators is inherent to the fact it was under german guardianship.
You're right when you say that Petain was more scared about communists than he was from nazi. Actually, in June 1940, when France has fallen, everybody agrees on the idea that Europe will be controlled either by the Nazis or by the USSR afterwards. It came in the mind of no one that the brits and the americans could come from the Atlantic Ocean. In the mind of no one except Churchill of course... (and for France De Gaulle).
Seriously, Vichy France represented nothing but a conqueered country under german guardianship. It's not because France had been invaded fast that it makes of them new Hitler's friend. That's disgusting to say so and you know why ? Because it makes it feel as if France was in the side of Germany by choice. And that is everything but true.
PS : Civ3 Democracy is invented at the end of the Middle Ages, just before the industrial age. That Democracy is modern Democracy... the basics of modern democracy is individualism (John Locke, UK) and the division of powers or check and balance (Montesquieu, France). The first country to apply Democracy was the US thanx to Jefferson who was a french philosopher fan. Voltaire, Rousseau, Montesquieu, D'Alembert, Diderot, Kant are all more important in the History of Democracy than Madison or Franklin.
Civ3 Republic is invented thanx to philosophy and code of laws at the end of the Ancient times. It is not presidential system, it's greek direct democracy. In the greek system, each city has its forum to discuss about current event. It has nothing to do with modern democracy.