Your Nation's Greatest Leaders

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Alright, I want you to tell me your nation's greatest leaders. EG: Cyberxkhan tells me Vietnam's greatest leaders, ETC. They don't have to be in any particular order.

I'm making this thread so that everybody around the world can learn about the history of others/answer the leader question in one thread, unlike HuaynaCapac357. ;) Sorry if I sound like an idiot! :sad:

Here's the USA's greatest leaders in my opinion:
1. President Washington
2. President Lincoln
3. President (Theodore) Roosevelt
4. President (Franklin) Roosevelt
5. President Eisenhower

Please share your history with us!
 


RONALD REAGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO! YEAH!!!!!!! REAGAN, REAGAN, REAGAN!!!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

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Canada

1. Sir John A. Macdonald
2. Sir Wilfred Laurier
3. Sir Robert Borden
4. Mackenzie King
5. Lester B. Pearson

EDIT: Put in the name of the country.
 


RONALD REAGAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WOOO! YEAH!!!!!!! REAGAN, REAGAN, REAGAN!!!!!!!!! WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

:rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon: :rockon:
:huh: :ack: :twitch:
*avoids political flame war
America:
1. Franklin Delano Roosevelt
2. Abraham Lincoln
3. George Washington
4. Eisenhower
5. Theodore Roosevelt
Coming from someone here since 1639. :p
 
Vietnam... (even for a Vietnamese, my opinion may differ than my countrymen because of my views, but...)

1. Quang Truong (late 1700s) - Vietnamese who reunited the country after a terrible 200 YEAR CIVIL WAR and defeated a massive Qing DYnasty Invasion, a THai Invasion, and was planning for an invasion of Southern CHina before he died of mysterious circumstances at the young age of 40. If he lived, I think Vietnam would be a much richer place...

2. Trung Trac/Trung Nhi (40 - 43 CE) - okay, so they lost their rebellion, like Boadicea, but... they led the first massive rebellion against China since China conquered Vietnam, they actually succesffully DROVE the chinese out, and they probably ould've kept them out if the CHinese general didn't tell his soldiers to strip themselves naked and embarass the entire army of VIetnamese women... and speaking of which, they were young women riding on huge elephants beating the crap out of everyone. you don't see that in history every day!

3. Le Loi (early 1400s) - Another great leader loved by us. He drove out the Ming who had temporarily occupied Vietnam, and founded a great dynasty, the Le.

4. Ly Thuan Kiet (early 1000s) - A general who attacked China and won back sizable territory from it. I think he also repelled an invasion, but im not so sure.

5. Forgot his name :) (mid 1200s) - General and Admiral who repelled three Mongol invasions. WHat more do I need to say?


:)
ANd Ho Chi Minh isn't on this list... for obvious reasons.
 
FDR FTW!

FDR PWNs little Ronie.
 
For Romania, it's quite hard to say who the greatest leaders were, because it was known by so many names and divided in so many states in the past 2500 years, and on top of that add that about 1900 years ago it's population and culture was totally revolutionized by the Roman Empire.

Going all the way back in time, to the time of the Kingdom of Dacia, then Burebista is by far the best Dacian king of all times. Though Decebalus is more known, he is more known because Trajan defeated him. :p It's true, it was kinda impossible to defeat the Roman Empire at its maximum height under Emperor Trajanus, but don't forget even before the war begun, he still hadn't managed to put together a country even 2/3 of the one Burebista ruled.

During 106-271, Dacia was a Roman province, so the only leaders I could list here are Roman Emperors. ;)

In Wallachia (in Romanian called "Tara Romaneasca" so don't come telling me it's not Romania - the first one can be debated but this can't really be), the greatest kings IMHO were Basarab I who founded it and defeated the Hungarians in the middle of their expansion in Europe, and Mircea cel Batran (Mircea the Elder) who achieved some of the most important results of all of our rulers.

In Moldova (another of the 3 Romanian principalities of the middle ages), there is no contest - Stefan cel Mare (Stephen the Great, aka Stephen the Great and Holy) is by far the most important king, having won 40 battles and losing 2! Including imposing huge defeats on the biggest empire of the time - the Ottoman Empire, again when it was in it's expansion.

In Transylvania it's really hard to tell, since there were so many Romanians there that became kings somewhere else (like many Hungarian kings being of Romanian origin).

Mihai Viteazu, or "Michael the Brave" cannot be included in any of those though. He started as the ruler of Wallachia, but he managed to unify all the 3 Romanian principalities overpassing all the interests of the neighboring countries - which are not negligible (like Hungary, Poland and the Ottoman Empire, which were much bigger in that time than they are now). He conquered those and achieved the so-called "millenary dream" of uniting the Romanian principalities and most of the regions inhabited by Romanians. You could say he is the one who made Wallachia the dominant one in the 3 principalities, something which is still seen to this day (for example, the capital, Bucharest, is very off the center of the country, it's way south; why? Because it's in the middle of Wallachia, which is in the south).

Since Romania became a fully independent country with nobody having any right of messing with its business in any field at all, Romania had 4 kings (of which I met one, the only one alive today). I would not call the one who made the unification (that was not called a "king" - "rege", but a "leader" - "domnitor"), Alexandru Ioan Cuza, one of the best leaders of all times, but he still achieved very good things nonetheless. Of those 4 kings, Carol I was the best, though Ferdinand of Hohenzollern was not to be ignored either.

In the communist times, between 1945 and 1989, Romania had no good leaders. Period.

Since the revolution of 1989, the current president is by far the best of them all. Still, I would go back to the Monarchy any day. But that's another topic.


So if I were to post simply a list of names, in chronological order, beginning from 86 BC and ending with 2007 AD, I'd say the most important ones were: Burebista, Basarab I, Mircea cel Batran, Stefan cel Mare, Mihai Viteazul, Carol I.



Note I did not mention one single king between 1600 and 1900, which can be partially due to my somewhat less knowledge of the period, but is probably due to the fact that there was not 1 single person to bring a great boost to the country, the good changes being brought rather a succession of good leaders than to 1 genius leader.
 
An extremely tough question for a brazilian! It so much easier for us to name the worst ones!

Anyways, I will try. Most brazilians, I am sure, would place either Vargas or JK as the number one. They both sucked, though Vargas was far worse.

Here are some leaders of our past that I admire, in no particular order:

-Emperor Pedro II
Even though he was a monarch with absolute powers, his reign was far more liberal than the Old Republic that replaced it. He allowed irrestrict freedom of press (he was constantly mocked by the papers), freedom of religion and he also prevented either the Conservative or the Liberal parties to gain too much power, by alternating the years in which each party would rule. This prevented the sort of corrupt and authocratic parties that we would later experience.

-Castelo Branco
I'm sure the lefties will hate me for this. He was the first military ruler of the 1964 revolution / coup, some call him the first military dictator. But he was no such thing. He was from the moderate wing of the Army and was constantly struggling against the hardliners who wanted a full blown dictatorship, lead by Costa e Silva (who, unfortunately, was his successor). The 1964 movement saved Brazil from the insanity of Goulart, and was necessary. Castelo Branco wanted to stabilize the country and give it back to a civilian. He refused to extend his term. He opposed all the purges which were proposed during his term against dissidents, even though some took place. His economic reforms not only controlled the hyper-inflation created by Goulart's buffoonery as it laid the foundation for the spectacular economic growth that Brazil would experience in the following years. He understood that the communist threat needed to be defeated, but he did not believe that the method to do that would be with an anti-communist dictatorship, as unfortunately happened. He tried, and failed, to keep the Army outside of the political decisions.

-Prudente de Morais
Dealt reasonably with the economic crisis that he inheritted, reverted the authoritarian measures implemented by the tyrant Floriano Peixoto (the Iron Marshall), solved to Brazil's favour border disputes with Argentina, expelled the british from the Ilha da Trindade peacefully. Only downside is that he instituted state of exception after an assassination attempt, but back in the Old Republic this was common practice and presidents have done that for lesser reasons.

Not a particularly great list, but that's the best we have, folks!
 
For the United States...

1. James K. Polk
2. Theodore Roosevelt
3. George Washington
4. Abraham Lincoln
5. Dwight D. Eisenhower
 
Canada

1. Sir John A. Macdonald
2. Sir Wilfred Laurier
3. Sir Robert Borden
4. Mackenzie King
5. Lester B. Pearson

EDIT: Put in the name of the country.

Not much else to say Canada-wise, so I shall cover my nation-that-is-a-province (as opposed to my country, Canada), Québec :

1. Jean Lessage
2. René Lévesque
3. Robert Bourassa
4. Adélard Godbout
5. Lucien Bouchard
 
even thuogh im not Chinese, im close enough to be able to list their greatest leaders. :D

1. Taizong - Ruled China at its height of power in the Tang Dynasty.

2. Qianlong/Kangxi - Both ruled China at the height of its power during the Qing Dynasty. If things had gone differently, i think these guys would be the ones who would be responsible for making China a world power... two centuries earlier.

3. QSH - not a great guy (but better than Mao), but nevertheless united China under one manner - which would have worldwide implications. Did much domestic programs and policies.

4. Zhuge Liang - thuogh technically not a leader, he lead armies, eh? Great general, at least in legend. :D

5. Xuanzong - a very cultured man, right person at the wrong time in my opinion. He also ruled the Tang at its territorial height, stretching as far as mordern day Afghanistan. If things had gone better, Central Asia couold've been under Chinese domination and/or influence much much much more earlier, and Islam maybe wouldn't be as so dominant in Central Asia.
 
Hey Mirc, I always though Queen Marie was a great ruler of Romania. An avid supporter of war agaisnt Germany, she managed to persuade her useless husband to declared war. Great for her constant work in keeping morale of Romanians high up even when the Austrians were pounding deep into Moldova. Her greatest achievement was most likely uniting Romania with Translvania and Moldova after the war. Marie, Warrior Queen of Romania gets my vote as one of the greatest Romanian Rulers. But what do you think of her?
 
Sweden:

Birger Jarl (Earl Birger) — medieval kingmaker who put a stop to the unruly form of royal succession based on the principle of two great families bumping each other off vendetta-style. Founder of Stockholm too.
For medieval times, he was the man who picked up the pieces of this underpopulated and cold place and put them together as a normal functional European kingdom. Never king himself, he had his son elected as such, and spawned the dynasty ruling Sweden through the High Middle Age.

Gustaf I Wasa — unifier of the nation.
Badass... Born as a the nobleman Gustaf Eriksson Wasa, he broke out of prison in Denmark to raise the rebellion at the news of his father's execution, along with 50+ other men of the cream of the Swedish higher nobility, in the 1521 "Stockholm Bloobath" perpetrated by the king of the Great Nordic Union, Christian II. He then clawed himself to the top by 1523 (bankrolled by the merchants of Lübeck).
The Swedish ruler who in his time faced by more and bigger rebellions than any other, hence the man who had most Swedes in history killed. Still, whatever the methods, before old king "Gösta" Sweden was a medieval elective kingdom (or in fact three) in the old Germanic fashion, part of the Nordic Union, where every county was pretty much independant and there was zero sense of national unity. After Gösta did the dirty on everyone, all these things had changed to the oppsite.
Otherwise he was a semi-literate but highly intelligent and absolutely ruthless Renaissance barbarian. This is the king who went on record stating that the only use he ever had for books, was to ram them down the barrel of a cannon to keep the ball and powder in place.

Axel Oxenstierna — Chancellor of the Realm
Forget Gustavus II Adolphus! This is the man who made him, and Sweden, both the 17th c. empire, and the administrative structure of Sweden to this day.
His collegue Cardinal Mazarin of France is on record stating that if all the chancellors of Europe found themselves on a ship and had to elect a captain, if going by brains and merits alone Oxenstierna would take the cake.
No fighter, but an absolutely formidable administrator and diplomat. He first badgered the young Gustavus Adolphus into making up with the higher Swedish nobility (Gustavus father Charles IX had cheesed them off no end through the 1597 "Linköping bloobath"). He then got king and nobility to rally around a new national project, consisting of raising armies to make war and thus make Sweden great and powerful. And while Gustavus was busy doing that, it was Oxenstierna who skillfully mixed administration, trade and diplomacy to allow Sweden, pop. 1,5 million, to keep a standing army 150 000 strong, punching way above its actual weight.
In this his task was somewhat similar to that of Cardinal Richelieu in France. Both had to formulate a common project to divert the energies of the nobility away from rocking the ship of state all the time. The French system succeeded to a great extent by making access to the machinery of the state a matter of privilege, a (near) exclusie prerogative of the aristocracy. Oxenstierna toyed with the idea, but discarded it as inefficient, in favour of a much more meritocratic bureaucracy. France later needed a correction of the system known as the French Revolution, at a time when Sweden enjoyed parlamentariansm more akin to the British system.

Hjalmar Branting — first Social Democrat Prime Minister.
Himself very much from the upper crust, went to school with King Gustaf V, and was claimed to at a very young age have pelted the Royal Person with snow-balls in a display of anti-monarchist sentiment. Cute anecdote aside, he was instrumental in setting up the über-powerful Soc. Dem. party in 1889, turning the Swedish socialist movement both democratic and peaceful. The fact that he himself was an old school-chum of the king's probably helped smooth the way.

Per-Albin Hansson — WWII Prime Minister, soc. dem.
For that fact alone, managing the highly sensitive task of steering Sweden through WWII without coming to harm (keeping both local varieties of Nazis and Bolsheviks down and out, and a great coalition of all parties together). Even more important was that in the 1930's he formulated the Soc. Dem. political vision of the "folkhemmet" (the nation as the "the People's Home"), on which post-WWII Sweden was built. The beauty of it wasn't just that it was a Soc. Dem. vision, but that Hansson through it simultaneously managed to co-opt and re-formulate every pet idea of the liberals and conservatives as social democratic, which laid the ground for a string of election victories from 1932-1976.
 
Italy, in cronological order:

Enrico Dandolo (Venice)
Lorenzo de' Medici (Florence)
Pope Julius II (Vatican state)
Giuseppe Garibaldi
Camillo Benso count of Cavour
 
Turkey

Mete Han(Motun)
Bilge Khan(Tonyukuk etc.)
Attila
Alpaslan
Melikshah
Kılıjarslan I
Alaaddin Keykubat
Murat I
Mehmet II
Selim I
Suleiman I
Mahmut II
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk
 
Hey Mirc, I always though Queen Marie was a great ruler of Romania. An avid supporter of war agaisnt Germany, she managed to persuade her useless husband to declared war. Great for her constant work in keeping morale of Romanians high up even when the Austrians were pounding deep into Moldova. Her greatest achievement was most likely uniting Romania with Translvania and Moldova after the war. Marie, Warrior Queen of Romania gets my vote as one of the greatest Romanian Rulers. But what do you think of her?

I think she was a very important leader, too. But tbh I wouldn't put her above any of those I listed at the end. :) As I said, there were many good leaders, but if we have to select a few, it gets harder... :)
 
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