Zimmerman Not guilty

[Formaldehyde]

Would that be a black Hispanic or a white Hispanic?

According the the graph above, it makes quite a difference.

And I'm sure you aren't trying to claim that a few isolated cases means there is any sort of discernible trend when compared to thousands of incidents. Right?

 

[Berzerker]

if this was racial profiling did Zimmerman have a track record of calling the cops on other blacks, like women, and adults, etc?

or just young black males fitting the criminal profile of the burglary suspects?

racial profiling my asterisk, damn race baiters

 

[Bamspeedy]

Would that be a black Hispanic or a white Hispanic?

According the the graph above, it makes quite a difference.

And I'm sure you aren't trying to claim that a few isolated cases means there is any sort of discernible trend when compared to thousands of incidents. Right?

White Hispanic.

I'm was responding to the claim that the verdict of the Zimmerman case was some sort of 'proof' that the skin color is the only thing that determines a verdict. But go ahead, post a few more isolated incidents to try to show that it is. Don't forget to bold random sentences.

 

[Formaldehyde]

I'm was responding to the claim that the verdict of the Zimmerman case was some sort of 'proof' that the skin color is the only thing that determines a verdict. But go ahead, post a few more isolated incidents to try to show that it is. Don't forget to bold random sentences.

Is that how you took that comment? Really? i thought it was in response to the graph I posted immediately before.

Doesn't it concern you in the least that if a white kills a black that there is a 350% greater chance he will be acquitted in a "stand your ground" state than if he killed a white? That if a black kills a white, there is a 75% greater chance he will not be?

Or, apparently like Berzerker, do you think it is perfectly acceptable to racially profile, stalk, and kill innocent black teens merely because they were walking while black in a neighborhood where some of the break-ins were known to be committed by young blacks?

 

[Bamspeedy]

Even the state attorney said this case was never about race, but Form knows all and knows better.

 

[Formaldehyde]

You mean how the judge specifically ruled that the prosecution couldn't mention this case was obviously about racial profiling?

When will "law and order" and justice finally refer to blacks as well as whites in this country?

 

[FriendlyFire]

It's been fun watching liberals post random shooting cases as some sort of rebuttal just to have it blow up in their face as just happened above.

Anyone on the Republican conservative side wish to rebut GZ history of past violence, aggression, bulling behaviour and GZ lying in court about hes passport and stealing money from hes own public defence fund ?

In the end, GZ ended up getting beaten by TM and he ended up fatally shooting TM. What was likely tragic series of mistakes, no one should have been killed, and no one should have been beaten.

 

[Formaldehyde]

How exactly is one supposed punch to the nose and two incredibly tiny cuts to the back of the head getting beaten up?

 

[nc-1701]

How exactly is one supposed punch to the nose and two incredibly tiny cuts to the back of the head getting beaten up?

It's hard to say how beat up he was, but the only plausible explanation I can come up with for the cuts on the back of his head involves him falling backwards and hitting his head on concrete. Again hard to say exactly how much that hurt him, but it could easily have been enough to daze him badly, even if there was no more permanent damage. The fact is a lot of strikes can mess you up without a huge amount of obvious physical damage appearing.

The chart is disturbing to see and assuming the blurb is accurate appears to have a rather large sample size. While it would be a stupid to infer something about any particular case from such statistical evidence it clearly represents a problem, and makes a much better case for one than this verdict does. Seeing more crosstabs on the data and the variation between states would be very interesting as well.

 

[Archbob]

Zimmeran was in his car and Martin was unarmed on foot. How did Martin even get to assault Zimmerman in the first place unless Zimmerman tailed Martin and got out of his car to confront him.

Zimmerman is not a police officer, he has no business tailing a kid just because he's black and wearing a hoodie.

 

[Formaldehyde]

One thing is for certain. Basic common sense like that certainly isn't going to work here. Expect to be called a "race baiter" or worse.

 

[Kyriakos]

Zimmeran was in his car and Martin was unarmed on foot. How did Martin even get to assault Zimmerman in the first place unless Zimmerman tailed Martin and got out of his car to confront him.

Well, to be fair, in the beginning Zimmerman was still safe in his mother's womb

 

[civ_king]

This graph deserves to be posted so it can be completely ignored by those who claim this isn't about race:

They didn't seem to adjust for states placed under the Voting Rights Act of 1965

 

[classical_hero]

You mean how the judge specifically ruled that the prosecution couldn't mention this case was obviously about racial profiling?

When will "law and order" and justice finally refer to blacks as well as whites in this country?

As soon as you lost the argument you go to you traditional claim of "law and order". You are too predictable.

About the graph.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/criminal-justice/is-there-racial-bias-in-stand-your-ground-laws/

So the disparity is clear. But the figures don’t yet prove bias. As Roman points out, the data doesn’t show the circumstances behind the killings, for example whether the people who were shot were involved in home invasions or in a confrontation on the street.

Additionally, there are far fewer white-on-black shootings in the FBI data — only 25 total in both the Stand Your Ground and non-Stand Your Ground states. In fact, the small sample size is one of the reasons Roman conducted a regression analysis, which determines the statistical likelihood of whether the killings will be found justifiable.

And lastly, whether a homicide is ruled justifiable only tells part of the story. Stand Your Ground laws can be applied at multiple points during an investigation.

We are talking about such a statically small sample that the results will be biased as a result. The smaller the sample the more likely to get a big margin swing.

 

[Berzerker]

Or, apparently like Berzerker, do you think it is perfectly acceptable to racially profile, stalk, and kill innocent black teens merely because they were walking while black in a neighborhood where some of the break-ins were known to be committed by young blacks?

One thing is for certain. Basic common sense like that certainly isn't going to work here. Expect to be called a "race baiter" or worse.

race baiting is your favorite tactic

did Zimmerman call the cops on older black folk, or black women? I asked you that before when you were accusing Z of racial profiling and you apparently never bothered to find out.

 

[FriendlyFire]

How exactly is one supposed punch to the nose and two incredibly tiny cuts to the back of the head getting beaten up?

GZ was lying about having his head slammed repeatly into the cement sidewalk. But he head was definitely cut and bleeding and while GZ also lied about hes nose being broken it was swollen, bruised and he was bleeding from the nose. and on TM knuckles were bruised, how do you suppose TM knuckles became bruised ?

Did TM deserved to be killed ? No
Did GZ deserved to be bashed in the face, pinned down and head gashed ? No

 

[Archbob]

Why was he tailing Martin in the first place? He's in a car, call the cops and then drive away. Don't follow him, get out of your car, and confront him. I'd be scared if someone was tailing me in a car, probably think he wants to take me out. Not shocked at all than a scared 14-year old kid tried to take him out before some creepy guy tailing you in a car takes you out.

You don't have the right(if your not a cop) to tail random teenagers, and then tell them to "stand down" while armed, especially if they haven't done anything.

 

[MobBoss]

Why was he tailing Martin in the first place? He's in a car, call the cops and then drive away. Don't follow him, get out of your car, and confront him. I'd be scared if someone was tailing me in a car, probably think he wants to take me out. Not shocked at all than a scared 14-year old kid tried to take him out before some creepy guy tailing you in a car takes you out.

Trying to 'take someone out' for merely following you is a crime bub. Following someone? Not so much.

You're also making a lot of assumptions on what happened, but you simply don't know what happened. Which is the entire point. There simply isn't enough evidence to convict Zimmerman of a crime in this.

 

[Berzerker]

there is no evidence Z confronted M, on the contrary, the evidence shows it was M who confronted Z

and we dont need Z's statements for that, we have M's GF - and according to her M said the following:

there's that creepy ass cracker again

why are you following me

I think people are assuming Z and M had each other in sight as M approached him to ask questions. Z didn't know where M was and the latter came at Z from behind

 

[Archbob]

I think people are assuming Z and M had each other in sight as M approached him to ask questions. Z didn't know where M was and the latter came at Z from behind

Why would you even approach a kid that you don't know armed with a gun if he's not breaking into a house or something?

Trying to 'take someone out' for merely following you is a crime bub.

An armed guy in a car following me for no apparent reason? That sounds like it constitutes a pretty big threat to my safety. At the least, it constitutes stalking.