Zohran Mamdani
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GenMarshall
Sin'dorei ISB Capt & Ghost Agent
There there, I've been there too.SIMCITY LIED TO ME!!!!!!!!![[pissed]](/images/smilies/pissed.gif "Pissed [pissed]")
Zardnaar
Deity
Yup its kinda funny. Im not seeing g the worst of it either.
Here is 50 seconds of Senator (Texas) Ted Cruz on Hannity from some podcaster video.
Communist Jihadist!
Zardnaar
Deity
Desire. Its Murican politics. Desire.....
Akka
Moody old mage.
"socialism" in Europe probably has a pretty different meaning than in McCarthist's minds.
Ordnael
I'll be the roundabout
These "nu socialists" in the US must take a long hard look at EU models before attempting to copy.
Socialism in Eurozone might have already peaked a decade a go. A welfare state needs a pool of "net contributors" much larger than a pool of "free riders" to work properly and be sustainable into the future. The opening of EU borders to any kind of economic migrants and fake refugees requesting asylum is putting the welfare state in check and it's already crumbling in most EU countries (at least the ones accepting these new fluxes without criteria, looking at you Poland in envy)... there's not enough contributions to keep it sustainable. And that's sad.
amadeus
rad thibodeaux-xs
They don’t do that, they take whatever policies they want and say “Europe does it that way,” even if it isn’t so—see the rates of corporate tax in the Nordic countries and compare it to what our socialists want it to be.
Akka
Moody old mage.
The problem is much more in how little the top earners contribute, though. Wealth concentration has only increased since the 70's, while taxes have been mainly lowered on companies and wealthy individuals, so there is both less wealth taxed, and it's taxed at a lower rate.
As much as I loathe the existing immigration policies, it's little to do with the financial costs, which are a drop in the bucket compared to fiscal evasion and lobbying.
Little reminder that corporate income taxes in the US were in the 60's over twice as they are now.
You want to know where the deficit comes from ? It's from tax breaks for the already wealthy. The whole West would swim in money if it decided to just bring back post-war taxation (so we can hear people say that McCarthist USA was being communist or somesuch).
Ordnael
I'll be the roundabout
I don't think the problem is much more what you @Akka point out but otherwise I would agree it's has a very critical share in the problem. Both under taxation of new arrivals and the greedy CEO's and their investments is killing the poor and lower middle class workers taxing them to pay up for "everything".
I also agree that the solution to this problem should begin by finding a way to tax this very wealthy vehicles without allowing them to run with their money elsewhere...but I think that would require an worldwide commitment that won't happen because the world is run by these greedy bastards.
It's a very unfortunate situation indeed, but we could make it less unfortunate by denying the wealthy importing cheap labor that barely pays wage tax given the lowest of the low wages most of these downtrodden work for.
It sucks and there's no magic wand in sight.
I also agree that the solution to this problem should begin by finding a way to tax this very wealthy vehicles without allowing them to run with their money elsewhere...but I think that would require an worldwide commitment that won't happen because the world is run by these greedy bastards.
It's a very unfortunate situation indeed, but we could make it less unfortunate by denying the wealthy importing cheap labor that barely pays wage tax given the lowest of the low wages most of these downtrodden work for.
It sucks and there's no magic wand in sight.
Snowygerry
Deity
That may mean that you'll have to do downtrodden work for minimal wage, instead of spending, what should be working hours, posting on a gaming website
Ordnael
I'll be the roundabout
One of us, one of us!
Actually I might be loosing my job in a auto industry company soon but definitely not because of CFC...demand and clients are running very low.
Currently at home in a kind of limbo between a layoff and regular employment.
If you must know I've done my share of manual labor, worked in a supermarket before with fresh produce, cleaned the floor when necessary at another factory job. Always made little more than minimal wage. Like I said elsewhere, whish I was an intellectual and didn't need a job!
I am just a couple of very small notches above "downtrodden" work.
I am not complaining about what I did and do. Some do nothing by choice and spend their days asking for handouts...not me.
Klaus Hergersheimer
Emperor
If you want to subdivide this by authoritarian (Soviet-style) socialism vs. democratic socialism, I guess we can do that. Though personally I don't see much difference in their ultimate outlooks.
So for outside observers who ponder 'I don't know what the Americans are so disturbed about; we have this kind of thing over here and it's just fine, etc.', well, this can always go one of the two aforementioned ways here: by force or by consent...And I would add, never doubt the American capacity to simply impose our will by fiat. Various presidents did that; our current president does that; and I'm sure Mamdani would love to throw his hat in that ring too.
Class warfare is a big, big component of how things tend to work here, which tends to attracts very angry people, and not always very altruistic people.
danjuno
Cole Phelps, Badge 1247
Why, so they can destroy their quality of life for share holder value?
Socialism as espoused by Marx was a complete changing of the structure of the economy with the means of production being owned by the workers rather than people who do not contribute on a day to daylevel.
Socialism as espoused by Zohran, Bernie and the Dutch politician I quoted Alexander Verbeek is capitalism with a little more of a social safety net than the extremists of the GOP want.
There are pretty fundamentally different systems.
Klaus Hergersheimer
Emperor
Systems can exist along the same continuum of power; the question is how much you want to throttle that power. With their protectionist tariff policies and government buying stakes in large companies, the current crop of Republicans aren't much different than many socialists either, I find. They'll tell you similar stories about the needing to defend home-grown industry in the wake of globalization, and that this is all in line with keeping America safe. But I'm sure you would never excuse that as some more palatable form of capitalism the same way I am not going to excuse Mamdani's ideas about freezing rent et al because it's technically not Marxist, or Marxist-Leninist, or whatever.
I think the problem is that you are looking at it as a single parameter defining left - right position. Protectionist tariffs could be considered slightly left of centre, believing that poor people should not starve in the richest country in the world could be considered slightly left of centre. This does not mean that these two policies are not very different.
I have actually posted somewhat positively about the tariffs, they are certainly not my least favourite policy of Trumps.
Akka
Moody old mage.
If you don't see a difference between Maoist China and Scandinavian countries, I'm a bit at a loss.
Klaus Hergersheimer
Emperor
One just got to the same place faster than the other, is all. But back to the new mayor: if some Dutch guy thinks Mamdani needs to be cut quite a bit of slack because he smartly put "democratic" in front of "socialist", well no, I don't see why; as I'd rather wait to judge his results.
Ah yes, the famously authoritarian communist Norway, Sweden, Denmark, and Iceland
