ZPNESVI Discussion Thread (Nesse)
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Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Yes, let's all listen to the failed, enslaved bandit. 
Ninja Dude
Sorry, I wasn't listening...
Aye/Aye
That's right
Indeed, even Daft is taking a few days break so as I've said before, keep your panties on and chill out.
Bil
Prince of Space
TO: Silivus
FROM: Fiddlers
We have a lot of work lining up for the near future. We hope you're still on board to work with us, as it should be fairly profitable. We've been promised some investment into the development of the Hospital, and I know that the Diccus Clan has been interested in a new and lavish manor house. There might also be some other projects, I can't remember. Anyway, we've got work coming up, and we'll be making ourselves available for the gradual rebuilding of the city, and hope you'll be right there with us.
FROM: Fiddlers
We have a lot of work lining up for the near future. We hope you're still on board to work with us, as it should be fairly profitable. We've been promised some investment into the development of the Hospital, and I know that the Diccus Clan has been interested in a new and lavish manor house. There might also be some other projects, I can't remember. Anyway, we've got work coming up, and we'll be making ourselves available for the gradual rebuilding of the city, and hope you'll be right there with us.
Agent 89
King
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To: Fiddlers
From: Silivus Clan
We look foward to working with you on construction projects in Nesse to help rebuild the city after the choas of recent years. However, because of our other projects and our limited manpower, it may not be possible for us to send as many men as we would like to assist in these projects. But we are happy to send whatever workers we can.
From: Silivus Clan
We look foward to working with you on construction projects in Nesse to help rebuild the city after the choas of recent years. However, because of our other projects and our limited manpower, it may not be possible for us to send as many men as we would like to assist in these projects. But we are happy to send whatever workers we can.
Anonymoose
KING OF MEESE
To: Fiddlers
From: The Drezden
Do you want us to take the embedded Fiddler scientists with us to Trogdor? They have been with us for quite some time, and I don't mind having them, but if you don't want me to take them, I'll send them back to Nesse.
From: The Drezden
Do you want us to take the embedded Fiddler scientists with us to Trogdor? They have been with us for quite some time, and I don't mind having them, but if you don't want me to take them, I'll send them back to Nesse.
Bil
Prince of Space
TO: Drezden
FROM: Fiddlers
As long as you have a desire to come up with fireproof lumber, those Fiddlers will stay amongst you. Indeed, it is likely that they are much more like Drezden than they are like Fiddler anymore, as it's been quite a long time that they have lived among you. I do believe, anyway, that they are willing to stay as long as they are welcome.
TO: Silivus
FROM: Fiddlers
Yes, we are short on manpower as well. We've been trying to come up with some recruitment schemes to attract the idle from the city's populace, but so far we have failed to make convincing posters about how science is cool. Regardless, let's hope that both of our strained workforces can combine their efforts enough to make several productive and efficient teams to get all this work done. Also, perhaps there is another clan that wouldn't mind being hired out as general laborers...
TO: Vitium
FROM: Fiddlers
We understand that your clan has fallen into a string of hard times since arriving in the city, as was expected. We have an opportunity for you: you need work, we need workers. It is honest labor, construction mostly, and will merit your folk an honest wage and the chance to gradually earn the respect of the Nessian citizenry if they see your kin hard at work on their city. Hopefully we can just call it "our" city, yes? Anyway, let us know. We'll likely have all sorts of work for you now and in the future, if you're interested.
FROM: Fiddlers
As long as you have a desire to come up with fireproof lumber, those Fiddlers will stay amongst you. Indeed, it is likely that they are much more like Drezden than they are like Fiddler anymore, as it's been quite a long time that they have lived among you. I do believe, anyway, that they are willing to stay as long as they are welcome.
TO: Silivus
FROM: Fiddlers
Yes, we are short on manpower as well. We've been trying to come up with some recruitment schemes to attract the idle from the city's populace, but so far we have failed to make convincing posters about how science is cool. Regardless, let's hope that both of our strained workforces can combine their efforts enough to make several productive and efficient teams to get all this work done. Also, perhaps there is another clan that wouldn't mind being hired out as general laborers...
TO: Vitium
FROM: Fiddlers
We understand that your clan has fallen into a string of hard times since arriving in the city, as was expected. We have an opportunity for you: you need work, we need workers. It is honest labor, construction mostly, and will merit your folk an honest wage and the chance to gradually earn the respect of the Nessian citizenry if they see your kin hard at work on their city. Hopefully we can just call it "our" city, yes? Anyway, let us know. We'll likely have all sorts of work for you now and in the future, if you're interested.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Bumping so that we can finally hold the relevant exiling vote now that it's 2010.
orangelex44
Partisan
Gosh, that's right, I should be thinking about orders on this... the next update is a mini one, right, Daft? Probably no giant wars to worry about?
Daftpanzer
canonically ambiguous
Hello, I think I've mostly cought up with stuff now, feel free to bug me with more PM's though 
@orangealex44, the next update shouldn't be very big, I expect mostly internal and economic stuff.
@orangealex44, the next update shouldn't be very big, I expect mostly internal and economic stuff.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
By the order of the Moderator.
Structure of the Nessan Senate:
7 Senators: Challoan Senator, Iademos Senator, Tuxenius Senator, Fire Clan Senator, Ninticus Senator, Dicchus Senator, Askani Senator
Senatorial Powers: Declarations of War and Peace. Voting upon issues before the Senate, serving as Diplomats, Magistrates and Cohort Leadersf. Senators can forward issues to the Moderator to be considered for proposal. The Rights of Demand. (see below)
1 Moderator: Elite representative from ONE of the Elite Clans. Elected by Majority Vote of the Nesser Clans. (Only non-Elite, city-dwelling clans can vote for Moderator.)
Moderatorial Powers: Right of proposal of new laws and issues, right of appointment of Elite Senators to be Diplomats and Cohort Leaders. Tie-breaking vote in the event of a tie. Sovereign of the city and the city guards, oversees the functioning of the city.
Elections: Elite Senators are appointed by Elite Houses and Clans, and serve for life, or until retirement. The Moderator serves a 10 year term. Moderators can serve consecutive terms as long as they continue to be re-elected by the Nesser Clans.
Appointments: At least half the Senate (at present, 4 Senators) must call for the appointment of a Cohort Leader or Diplomat. Once this call has been made, the Moderator appoints a Senator for the position. His empty seat is then filled by a member of his House. [Proposed changes]
Overruling the Moderator: Two thirds of the Senate (at present, 5 Senators) can vote to reject a Moderator's appointment. One third of the Senate (at present, 3 Senators) can vote to force a Moderator to bring an issue forward for debate.
Removing Senators and the Moderator: Two thirds of the Senate (at present, 5 Senators) can vote to remove a fellow Senator from office for crimes against Nesse. Two thirds of the Senate (at present, 5 senators) can vote to remove a Moderator for crimes against Nesse. [Proposed Changes]
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Proposed changes: Official removals of an entire clan from Elite power, for crimes against Nesse, also proceed by two-thirds vote. Empowerment of replacement clans to be enshrined as new Elite houses requires two-thirds Senate approval, tabulated after removal of the offending clan. Offending clans do not vote on the removal. A significant demonstration of wealth and services to Nesse are sufficient grounds for elevation as an Elite Clan.
Common Nesser clans have the right to seek sponsorship for proposals with a Senatorial house. If they cannot find a sponsor, they may directly pass proposals to the Moderator.
Any citizen of Nesse may serve appointment as Magistrate, though long-held Magistracies are acceptable grounds for Elite candidacy. A magistracy, once held, remains held by a clan unless an official vote of petition is made by that magistracy's constituents, and a magistracy replacement is approved by the Senate.
Appointment reform, whereas the Moderator may submit appointments for Magistrates, Diplomats, and War Leaders at will, and require the approval of a majority of the Senate (at present, 4 Senators) to proceed. Unless an objection for a full vote is made among the Senate, approval votes on appointments do not need to be made, and unanimous consent will be presumed.
In anticipation of military reform, War Leaders changed to Cohort Leaders.
Structure of the Nessan Senate:
7 Senators: Challoan Senator, Iademos Senator, Tuxenius Senator, Fire Clan Senator, Ninticus Senator, Dicchus Senator, Askani Senator
Senatorial Powers: Declarations of War and Peace. Voting upon issues before the Senate, serving as Diplomats, Magistrates and Cohort Leadersf. Senators can forward issues to the Moderator to be considered for proposal. The Rights of Demand. (see below)
1 Moderator: Elite representative from ONE of the Elite Clans. Elected by Majority Vote of the Nesser Clans. (Only non-Elite, city-dwelling clans can vote for Moderator.)
Moderatorial Powers: Right of proposal of new laws and issues, right of appointment of Elite Senators to be Diplomats and Cohort Leaders. Tie-breaking vote in the event of a tie. Sovereign of the city and the city guards, oversees the functioning of the city.
Elections: Elite Senators are appointed by Elite Houses and Clans, and serve for life, or until retirement. The Moderator serves a 10 year term. Moderators can serve consecutive terms as long as they continue to be re-elected by the Nesser Clans.
Appointments: At least half the Senate (at present, 4 Senators) must call for the appointment of a Cohort Leader or Diplomat. Once this call has been made, the Moderator appoints a Senator for the position. His empty seat is then filled by a member of his House. [Proposed changes]
Overruling the Moderator: Two thirds of the Senate (at present, 5 Senators) can vote to reject a Moderator's appointment. One third of the Senate (at present, 3 Senators) can vote to force a Moderator to bring an issue forward for debate.
Removing Senators and the Moderator: Two thirds of the Senate (at present, 5 Senators) can vote to remove a fellow Senator from office for crimes against Nesse. Two thirds of the Senate (at present, 5 senators) can vote to remove a Moderator for crimes against Nesse. [Proposed Changes]
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Proposed changes: Official removals of an entire clan from Elite power, for crimes against Nesse, also proceed by two-thirds vote. Empowerment of replacement clans to be enshrined as new Elite houses requires two-thirds Senate approval, tabulated after removal of the offending clan. Offending clans do not vote on the removal. A significant demonstration of wealth and services to Nesse are sufficient grounds for elevation as an Elite Clan.
Common Nesser clans have the right to seek sponsorship for proposals with a Senatorial house. If they cannot find a sponsor, they may directly pass proposals to the Moderator.
Any citizen of Nesse may serve appointment as Magistrate, though long-held Magistracies are acceptable grounds for Elite candidacy. A magistracy, once held, remains held by a clan unless an official vote of petition is made by that magistracy's constituents, and a magistracy replacement is approved by the Senate.
Appointment reform, whereas the Moderator may submit appointments for Magistrates, Diplomats, and War Leaders at will, and require the approval of a majority of the Senate (at present, 4 Senators) to proceed. Unless an objection for a full vote is made among the Senate, approval votes on appointments do not need to be made, and unanimous consent will be presumed.
In anticipation of military reform, War Leaders changed to Cohort Leaders.
TURN 7 SENATE TOPICS
This turn, we shall bring the following things to the table. Voting will last 24 hours from now (so if you wish to make your voice known to those who can vote, do it quick). The following topics are to be brought to the floor for discussion. Please place your House Name and Topic Code in bold before you mention anything to make it clear. (for my sake if no one else's)
DOMESTIC ISSUES
MILITARY ISSUES
In addition, after much consideration, the incidents which happened in the last turn, namely the coup against House Alya and House Wolf, are illegal and they are therefore still considered part of the Senate. However, the voice of the vulgate cannot be ignored and it must be said that the actions of House Alya and House Wolf during the Cyrian War have proven to be less than exemplary. While retarding Nesse, their actions are not Crimes Against Nesse - in that crimes are wilful acts against the city - and are therefore not sufficient grounds for Exile. Yet, we cannot ignore that their actions have ******** our cause. Thus, I open the vote to the Senate on the issue of House Wolf and House Alya, whether to exile them, remove them from office, or to maintain the de jure recognition of Alya and Wolf as Élite.
On top of that, I wish to nominate House Ìedamos to be admitted into the ranks of the élite for significant contribution to the Cyrian War in the form of the Ìeada war bands.
On the issue of House Tuxenius, they are effectively House Gelion and a vote is thus unneccesary.
EXTRANUOUS ISSUES
This turn, we shall bring the following things to the table. Voting will last 24 hours from now (so if you wish to make your voice known to those who can vote, do it quick). The following topics are to be brought to the floor for discussion. Please place your House Name and Topic Code in bold before you mention anything to make it clear. (for my sake if no one else's)
DOMESTIC ISSUES
- Establishment of Executive Branch (7D1)
Spoiler : - Appointment of Magistrate to Riva (7D2)
Spoiler : - Formalisation of Borders (7D3)
Spoiler : - Formalisation of Magistrate Jurisdiction (7D4)
Spoiler : - Request for Permission to Reform Tax System (7D5)
Spoiler :
MILITARY ISSUES
- Reform of the Nesse Army (7M1)
Spoiler :
In addition, after much consideration, the incidents which happened in the last turn, namely the coup against House Alya and House Wolf, are illegal and they are therefore still considered part of the Senate. However, the voice of the vulgate cannot be ignored and it must be said that the actions of House Alya and House Wolf during the Cyrian War have proven to be less than exemplary. While retarding Nesse, their actions are not Crimes Against Nesse - in that crimes are wilful acts against the city - and are therefore not sufficient grounds for Exile. Yet, we cannot ignore that their actions have ******** our cause. Thus, I open the vote to the Senate on the issue of House Wolf and House Alya, whether to exile them, remove them from office, or to maintain the de jure recognition of Alya and Wolf as Élite.
On top of that, I wish to nominate House Ìedamos to be admitted into the ranks of the élite for significant contribution to the Cyrian War in the form of the Ìeada war bands.
On the issue of House Tuxenius, they are effectively House Gelion and a vote is thus unneccesary.
EXTRANUOUS ISSUES
- Removal of House Alya from Senate (7E1)
Spoiler : - Removal of House Wolf from Senate (7E2)
Spoiler : - Admission of House Ìedamos into Senate (7E3)
Spoiler :
germanicus12
First Citizen of Rome
A Wolf Clan representative wishes to inform the Senate that had Lucius Wolf managed to get out of the city, an army would have been raised of retired veterans and Outlanders. This army led by Lucius Wolf would have joined the Fire Clan in freeing Nesse from the Cyrian siege.
Also in the matter of the veterans who deserted Nesse, had in fact deserted the Banner of the Wolf, the families of these dishonorable men have been arrested and sold into slavery or executed. The Banner of the Wolf is not to be dishonored in any way. Lucius Wolf had in fact executed his brother and Uncle, both of who were commanders of the Wolf Veterans in the army of Nesse. If you desire proof, I will gladly provide this.
Finally, we have no desire to raise our arms against Nesse, we will always remain loyal to the people and Senate of Nesse, even if they have proven disloyal to the Clan in recent times, but when cornered a wolf bites deepest.
I hope the Senate sees reason and realizes that Exile is too harsh... we are willing to accept punishment for our actions against the Golden Barbarians, but do not call us traitors, as we never abandoned Nesse.
Also in the matter of the veterans who deserted Nesse, had in fact deserted the Banner of the Wolf, the families of these dishonorable men have been arrested and sold into slavery or executed. The Banner of the Wolf is not to be dishonored in any way. Lucius Wolf had in fact executed his brother and Uncle, both of who were commanders of the Wolf Veterans in the army of Nesse. If you desire proof, I will gladly provide this.
Finally, we have no desire to raise our arms against Nesse, we will always remain loyal to the people and Senate of Nesse, even if they have proven disloyal to the Clan in recent times, but when cornered a wolf bites deepest.
I hope the Senate sees reason and realizes that Exile is too harsh... we are willing to accept punishment for our actions against the Golden Barbarians, but do not call us traitors, as we never abandoned Nesse.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Assuming that the Wolf Clan is willing to agree to the exiling of the Alya, the Iademos would support reconciliation between the Wolves and the City of Nesse, perhaps restoring their citizenship as common Nessers.
Eltain
Deity
Askani Tally
Establishment of Executive Branch (7D1) AYE
Appointment of Magistrate to Riva (7D2) AYE
Formalisation of Borders (7D3) Aye
Formalisation of Magistrate Jurisdiction (7D4) AYE
Request for Permission to Reform Tax System (7D5) Aye
Reform of the Nesse Army (7M1) CONDITIONAL: If the War Leader or Minster of War be required to explain and defend any such reformation, we vote Aye. Otherwise, Nay
Removal of House Alya from Senate (7E1) After much debate, Remove from Senate, but do not exile
Removal of House Wolf from Senate (7E2) Again, after much debate Remove from Senate, but do not exile
Admission of House Ìademos into Senate (7E3) Aye
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We would back Ìademos' proposal of the Wolf Clan's magistracy over Lucaria, eventually.
Establishment of Executive Branch (7D1) AYE
Appointment of Magistrate to Riva (7D2) AYE
Formalisation of Borders (7D3) Aye
Formalisation of Magistrate Jurisdiction (7D4) AYE
Request for Permission to Reform Tax System (7D5) Aye
Reform of the Nesse Army (7M1) CONDITIONAL: If the War Leader or Minster of War be required to explain and defend any such reformation, we vote Aye. Otherwise, Nay
Removal of House Alya from Senate (7E1) After much debate, Remove from Senate, but do not exile
Removal of House Wolf from Senate (7E2) Again, after much debate Remove from Senate, but do not exile
Admission of House Ìademos into Senate (7E3) Aye
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We would back Ìademos' proposal of the Wolf Clan's magistracy over Lucaria, eventually.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
We oppose to the eastern boundary being set at the Uutan Hills. We believe that Lucaria should be considered a part of Nesse.
Perhaps, as part of a reconciliation agreement, in return for voluntarily forfeiting their Senate seat, the Wolves might be granted the Magistracy of Lucaria.
Perhaps, as part of a reconciliation agreement, in return for voluntarily forfeiting their Senate seat, the Wolves might be granted the Magistracy of Lucaria.
Dicchus Tally
Establishment of Executive Branch (7D1) AYE
Appointment of Magistrate to Riva (7D2) AYE
Formalisation of Borders (7D3) Aye
Formalisation of Magistrate Jurisdiction (7D4) AYE
Request for Permission to Reform Tax System (7D5) Aye
Reform of the Nesse Army (7M1)Aye.
Removal of House Alya from Senate (7E1) Remove from Senate, NO Exile
Removal of House Wolf from Senate (7E2) Remove from Senate, NO Exile
Admission of House Ìedamos into Senate (7E3) Aye
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To answer Askani's concerns, all Ministers are answerable to the Senate.
Establishment of Executive Branch (7D1) AYE
Appointment of Magistrate to Riva (7D2) AYE
Formalisation of Borders (7D3) Aye
Formalisation of Magistrate Jurisdiction (7D4) AYE
Request for Permission to Reform Tax System (7D5) Aye
Reform of the Nesse Army (7M1)Aye.
Removal of House Alya from Senate (7E1) Remove from Senate, NO Exile
Removal of House Wolf from Senate (7E2) Remove from Senate, NO Exile
Admission of House Ìedamos into Senate (7E3) Aye
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To answer Askani's concerns, all Ministers are answerable to the Senate.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
OOC: Can we please spell my House name right?
Ìademos Tally
Establishment of Executive Branch (7D1) AYE
Appointment of Magistrate to Riva (7D2) AYE
Formalisation of Borders (7D3) NAY (See ulterior concerns)
Formalisation of Magistrate Jurisdiction (7D4) AYE
Request for Permission to Reform Tax System (7D5) AYE
Reform of the Nesse Army (7M1)AYE
Removal of House Alya from Senate (7E1) Exile
Removal of House Wolf from Senate (7E2) Remove from Senate
Admission of House Ìademos into Senate (7E3) AYE
Ìademos Tally
Establishment of Executive Branch (7D1) AYE
Appointment of Magistrate to Riva (7D2) AYE
Formalisation of Borders (7D3) NAY (See ulterior concerns)
Formalisation of Magistrate Jurisdiction (7D4) AYE
Request for Permission to Reform Tax System (7D5) AYE
Reform of the Nesse Army (7M1)AYE
Removal of House Alya from Senate (7E1) Exile
Removal of House Wolf from Senate (7E2) Remove from Senate
Admission of House Ìademos into Senate (7E3) AYE
Dicchus disagrees with this because we believe the city needs to consolidate what we have at the moment. (Daft says we are overextended)
In addition, we would like to suggest that due to the recent turn of events, only élites could receive Magistracies. As judges and the representatives of Nesse in the Settlements, we believe it is only right.
That being said, Dicchus' official position is that Alya and Wolf have not committed Crimes Against Nesse and should therefore be kept as citizens of the city. We believe they have much to contribute to our cause.
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