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1492: Onwards to Glory (Sign Ups and OOC Discussion)

Discussion in 'Never Ending Stories' started by Nuka-sama, Apr 5, 2014.

  1. Nuka-sama

    Nuka-sama See ya! It has been a fun decade!

    Jan 27, 2006

    a.k.a. NukeNes XXVI

    Welcome! My name is <nuke>! As of late, I have been feeling a lack of love for the wonderful history of this world from the eras of 1000 BC-1835 AD. While I was young (and mind numbingly stupid), one of my favourite neses to this day is BirdNes III. In addition, I was incredibly interested in PerfNes I, though was unable to join until the turn it died.

    I have made some changes, and I hope that I may run this nes for you.

    This thread is to be used initially as a sign up thread, and later, a discussion/ooc thread. While I know some may not like 'pre-threads' I feel it'd be best not to clutter up the actual nes thread with 10 pages of nation reservations

    As a player, you will be the monarch/head of your nation. What does this mean? Well, as our own Lord of Elves succinctly put it:

    While not quite true, you will need to keep in mind that many of you will be playing as monarchs in an era that was still reliant on the diplomacy of monarchs. Strange happenings such as The Field of Cloth of Gold for peace and this to keep your nobility in line, and later wars for the succession of thrones. Royal Marriages will be one of your biggest tools of ensuring peace and alliances; while it&#8217;s not unthinkable, you would be warring with the man who was your sister or perhaps your cousin (or even AND your cousin!) And while you&#8217;ll generally be aligned against the great powers who border you, your greatest allies will be the ones who are not just tied by marriage, but those who carry the name and crest of your house.

    On joining the nes:

    I feel that all of the nations of this nes are all both playable and exciting. In addition, I will be at a later date opening up colonial companies and banks as well, and if the demand for the game is overwhelming, I will likely open up some of the nations that were not initially listed as playable (such as Navarra or Moldavia).

    I would prefer England, France, Spain, Austria, Muscovy, The Ottomans, and the Ming to be played by players who have a good track record on the forum. In addition, considering the position of the nation, I would also ask that the Papacy be played by a more experienced player as well. Outside of these powers, I am willing to accept anyone who comes into this game in good faith, even those who may not have the best records; in the original BirdNes, I gave the princess of Spain to the Aztecs to marry (and if memory serves I think my King travelled to Mexico as well only to be sacrificed), and spent a massive fortune trying to conquer Florida (which I did not succeed in doing). I will accept ANYONE and EVERYONE as long as they come in good faith, are willing to learn, and are willing to accept constructive criticism.

    To join, please create an application with 3-5 of your choices ranked from most to least. I would advise you to keep your list varied on the powers. If your list is 1. France 2. England 3. Spain 4. Portugal 5. Ottomans, you may not get ANY of your choices. While I see 1 and 2 as fairly close (someone putting Milan as their second choice may beat someone who put it as their first choice), I generally would not have someone&#8217;s 4th choice trump someone&#8217;s first choice. There are well over 30 choices of countries, as well as other non-nation entities, that I am sure everyone will be able to play. However, keep in mind that I reserve the right to place you as I see fit, though I will do my best to accommodate your preference.
  2. Nuka-sama

    Nuka-sama See ya! It has been a fun decade!

    Jan 27, 2006
    Reserved for rules

    Spoiler :
    Name: England
    King Henry VII* (Born 1457)/Tudor
    Heirs: Arthur (b. 1486), Henry (b. 1491), Margaret (b. 1489)
    Personal Treasury: 46,000
    Initiative Points:4
    National Income-Expenses (Debt/Treasury):400,000-264,000 (0/10,000)
    Army: 16 companies infantry, 4 companies horse
    Navy: 10 ships
    Factions (Loyalty/Power):
    Henry VII (5/5)
    English Nobles (3/2)
    Catholic Church (2/2)
    Anglo-Irish Lords (3/1)
    English Peasants (1/0)
    Irish Peasants (0/0)

    Players: Players will of course, be taking &#8220;nations&#8221; with their claims, but it is not just the nation they are claiming; they are claiming the monarch of their nation. What this means is that you must consider the interests of your monarch and of your dynasty first and foremost, and the rest of your nation second. You are not playing as Austria; you&#8217;re playing as the Emperor and the Hapsburg family, and you must do what is in the dynasty&#8217;s interests, even if it might not necessarily be in Austria&#8217;s interests. That means things like reforms and curtailing of your monarch&#8217;s power will be seen as major attacks on you. Be careful about your heirs and who may have a claim to your throne, as it may very much cause a war.
    In the second line we have our King/Prime Minister/Shogun/Head Honcho, followed by his dynasty. This is your character, and who your interests work through. Dynasties are very important, and two nations that have the same ruling dynasty are generally very closely allied with one another, and can call upon each other in their most dire hour.
    After this, we have your heirs. Generally this will only include your children, though if you have no child, the next applicable potential heir will be placed her instead, as well as an additional note (such as &#8220;uncle&#8221; &#8220;cousin&#8221; or &#8220;brother&#8221;). I will put the children in the order they would succeed the throne, though it will be noted in many countries a woman cannot succeed the throne, and is put here to help you track your family members and who you can marry off (a * representing married).

    As a side note, your ruler will do their best to produce as many heirs as possible! After all, we wouldn&#8217;t want all the heirs to die in infancy. If you would like to have names for your children specifically, you can let me know and I&#8217;ll keep them around. If not, I will use their closest real life self, and if not applicable, I will use common dynastic names (ie; for England I would likely name a child Henry, Richard, or Edward)


    First your income! This represents your yearly income! This was before the era of standardized taxes and budgets. Budgets would fluctuate wildly, with trade being better in some years than others, taxes needed to fight some years and others years of peace. Policies may change this, but for now this is what you&#8217;ve got!

    Expenses are your yearly expenditures. Around 15-20% of your income is dedicated to administration of your nation (more for larger, more centeralized nations, less for smaller, decentralized nations). The rest of it, and your biggest expenses, will be your military spending. This was an era of tiny standing armies and fleets called up as needed, with mercenaries or levees covering the rest. As you can see in our example, England has 4,000 infantry, 1,000 mounted troops, and 10 ships, yet this, with the administration expenses, accounts for over half of England&#8217;s income!

    Next we will talk about debt and treasury. First and foremost, it is not bad to go into debt. It is in fact, often necessary. What is bad is allowing the debt to fester. Depending on the nation you are, you will face various interest rates from either creditors or from foreign powers, and interest will accumulate. Of course, you may decide that your debt no longer exists, but then that will cause a host of problems; rampaging unpaid soldiers, rebellious nobles, furious merchants. If your lender was a foreign power, then it may cause a war! On the opposite side is your treasury. This is how much money you have accumulated from your nation&#8217;s income that was unspent. While it is good for a rainy day fund, this gold is at risk; if you lose your capital, you may lose most or all of your treasury!

    On a side note is your personal treasury. The personal treasury is the income you have at your direct disposal to do anything you so choose. You may buy stakes in a colonial company, invest it, loan it, buy an army, bribe your factions, buy clothes, whatever you want to do. Unless you have loans being repaid to you or you have holdings in a company, this stat will generally not replenish itself. Generally speaking, aside from investments, the way to increase your own treasury is to skim off the national treasury. In monarchies, 5% or so is considered perfectly acceptable; in a republic, it may be seen as an abuse of power. Take too much though, and your factions may begin turning on you. Aside from skimming off the top, one other way to do this is through war, with the captured loot going directly to your personal treasury.

    One thing to note is that people will know where they&#8217;re being paid from, and it may adjust their actions. An army paid by the state may turn on you in a civil war; an army paid by you will be loyal to you. An advisor being paid a state salary will do his best to entrench himself in the state so he cannot be removed easily; an advisor paid by you will be more likely to remain focused on his loyalty to you. Be careful!

    Prestige is perhaps the most important thing to keep in mind, and what you as a player are trying to accumulate. Things that can benefit your prestige include winning battles and wars, holding colonies and other territories, impressive armies and navies, being Defender of the Faith or Holy Roman Emperor, royal marriages, vanity projects, and &#8220;kingly&#8221; actions (hosting tournaments and feasts and the like), but these are just examples. A good rule of thumb is that almost everything can affect prestige, either positively or negatively. Prestige is very fickle, and can go up and down on a wide variety of things, but overall is one of the most important stats. It not only affects things like morale, faction relations, and NPC diplomacy, but also players should note how much another prestige another player has. An alliance or royal marriage with a less prestigious nation&#8217;s monarch will have a negative effect on your prestige, while winning a war against a prestigious nation will do wonders for your own prestige.

    On Historical realism and playability: The goal of a nes, of course, is to be playable, and to not have to follow a script of what you exactly have to do. No one wants to play EXACTLY as their entity did in reality, and I am not going to force you to do that. However, you will be constrained by reality, both in what you can do and what you would do. To give you the general gist of it, you may play as Ireland, and you can survive the years, and maybe you can even emerge as a middle level power, but you cannot become a global power with the economy to equal that of Spain. I will strive to create an enjoyable game for all players regardless of size.

    Initiative Points are what we might consider &#8220;political capital&#8221;, namely what you can do. Actions may cost gold or armies, or anything in between, but they do all require initiative points. This is designed to show the limit of the power of your monarch&#8217;s hold over the nation: the more power they hold, the more political clout they have! Initiative points are made by how much power in your nation you have: one &#8216;power&#8217; is equal to one &#8216;initiative point&#8217; up to 3, and then afterwards, two power is equal to one initiative point. So if I was Henry VII with 5 power, I would have 4 Initiative Points.
    Things that will cost Initiative Points!
    -Declaring war! (One nation, one initiative point)
    -Setting up a colony or trading post
    -Issuing an edict
    -Adding or changing a policy
    (More to be added)

    Casus Belli: Your cause for war. Unlike the wars of the later 19th and then the 20th century, there does not necessarily need to be a GOOD cause for war, but there has to be something. It can be claiming a throne, claiming colonial lands, border disputes, different religions, something. It can even be to cut down a major power that&#8217;s growing too strong. It&#8217;s not exactly difficult to make a reason for war, but keep in mind there are consequences; wars are expensive, and if you don&#8217;t have the money for them, it could stifle your ambitions. Furthermore, rebellious factions may see this as an opportune time to rise up against you. So be careful!

    Before you can fight, you&#8217;ll need men to fight for you. Depending on what nation you are, things can be pretty different. If you are a Western European nation, you&#8217;ll have a small standing army that is supplemented by mercenary forces; Eastern Europeans will have mercenaries as well, but can also be supplemented by their nobles. The Ottomans, Indian States, and the Ming have standing armies. It depends on the state really. The price to pay your soldiers, per year, is as follows:

    1 company of infanrty-4,000 Ducats
    1 company of cavalry-10,000 Ducats
    1 company equals 250 men
    1 ship-10,000 Ducats

    This includes both recruitment and maintaining; so if I were France and I wanted 3 companies of infantry for 3 years, I would pay 12,000 ducats per year.

    Factions represent the various interest groups within your nation. There are dozens of different factions you may run into. The church, the army, the fleet, the nobility, the royal family, the bureaucrats and the merchantry are all common and powerful factions that can be found in your nation. There can also be peasantry, based off of either their nationality (Irish versus English), or religion (Catholic versus Sunni). If they grow powerful enough, even your advisors or other individuals may become powerful power brokers in their own right. Factions have two stats; loyalty and power.

    Loyalty ranges from 0 (least loyal) to 5 (most loyal). The more loyal a faction, the more you can trust them with power. As a general rule of thumb, a loyalty of 3 is generally a &#8220;we are fine with being a part of the system&#8221; and can be trusted with some tasks in the nation, while a 4 or 5 is someone you can bring into your inner circle. A 2 is someone you can consider trying to make ties with if they have sufficient power, and you should keep an eye on any 1 or 2, and reduce their power when it is prudent to do so.

    Each nation has 10 possible &#8216;power&#8217; and is divided among your various factions. The more a faction has, the more powerful it is. Ideally, you should be the most powerful faction in your realm. If not, you may be dominated by the more powerful factions and be unable to achieve your goals, or worse, deposed from your seat of power!

    Factions will make their desires (or demands) known to you, and depending on your actions, can make them more or less loyal, and potentially more or less powerful. While a powerful faction, if loyal, can be useful, you don&#8217;t want anyone to grow too powerful, and it may be necessary to act against them.

    Advisors are those of your court that will help you rule your nation. These advisors are talented and will help your nation thrive with their skills; some are efficient tax men, some are great explorers, others priests or taxmen. Some may even have multiple jobs! Advisors can be recruited from a general pool throughout your region, though if a new advisor &#8220;manifests&#8221;, then the nation that he was born in will have exclusive hiring rights for 5 years before he joins the general pool. You may have up to three advisors at a time, so make them count, but be careful! Advisors have personalities and can upset members of the court (or charm them!) and can actually develop into powerful players on their own right.
  3. Nuka-sama

    Nuka-sama See ya! It has been a fun decade!

    Jan 27, 2006
    Spoiler :

    Playable Nations List:

    Represents player's first choice Represents player's second choice Represents players third choice

    Spoiler :


    Austria Grandkhan pole475 m.t. cicero Arrow Gamer
    Bavaria pole475
    Brandenburg Arrow Gamer
    England Ophorian
    France Immaculate Adrogonas
    Genoa orangealex44
    Hungary and Bohemia Grandkhan
    Kalmar Union (Union of Denmark, Norway, and Sweden): Omega124 LordofElves thomas.berubeg
    Milan ChineseWarlord Popcornlord mrrandomplayer Ophorian
    Muscovy ArrowGamer
    Naples orangealex44
    The Papal States thomas.berubeg
    Poland-Lithuania LordofElves Omega124
    Portugal Golden1Knight Popcornlord Shadowbound
    Savoy orangealex44
    Scotland Immaculate
    Spain Immaculate m.t.cicero
    Swiss Confederation Bair_the_Normal
    Teutonic Order thomas.berubeg
    Venice mrrandomplayer Popcornlord Golden1Knight Omega124 ChineseWarlord pole475 SouthernKing

    Middle East and Africa

    Abyssinia Azale
    The Mamluk Sultanate Everblack
    The Ottoman Empire LordofElves Shadowbound
    The Timurids Grandkhan


    Delhi SouthernKing Everblack
    Vijayanagara SouthernKing Everblack

    East Asia

    China Azale Adrogonas
    Japan Adrogonas Ophorian
    Korea mrrandomplayer

    The Americas

    Aztec Azale,
    Inka Shadowbound Golden1Knight
    Wyandot LordIggy
  4. Nuka-sama

    Nuka-sama See ya! It has been a fun decade!

    Jan 27, 2006
    When posting, pick 3-5 nations, but what would also be cool is if you had some potential advisers to come with it :) If they're alive in 1492, they can be used! (Just provide a wiki link)

    I don't know if I mentioned this but the nes starts in the middle of 1492, with Columbus making it to America and the new pope Alexander VI just taking the Papal Throne.

    Before the Nes Starts things that need to be finished:

    Spoiler :
    Stats (40% complete)
    Map (Americas need to be finished)
    Sign Ups (0% complete)
    Advisers List (15% complete)

    A special Thank You to the following: Lord Iggy, BirdJaguar, Owen, Masada, Bombshoo, Wrymouth3, and Perfectionist. You were all a tremendous help :)

    Have fun!
  5. Crezth

    Crezth 話說天下大勢分久必合合久必分

    May 26, 2006
  6. Lord_Iggy

    Lord_Iggy Tsesk'ihe

    Jun 7, 2005
    I will lead the Wyandot.
  7. Everblack

    Everblack Blacker then you

    Jul 21, 2012
    I like this so Ill join.

    1The Mamluk Sultanate

    Kind of sad that we can't play as one of the horde nation and try to make the Golden Horde again.
  8. Immaculate

    Immaculate unerring

    Jan 22, 2003
    I too really enjoyed Birdjaguar's Nes.

    Favored Nations:

    Spanish Advisors:

    Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba:
    Gonzalo Fernández de Córdoba, or simply Gonzalo de Córdoba (1 September 1453 &#8211; 2 December 1515), (Italian: Gonsalvo or Consalvo Ernandes di Cordova), Duke of Terranova and Santangelo, Andria, Montalto and Sessa, was a Spanish general who fought in the Conquest of Granada and the Italian Wars. He reorganized the emerging Spanish army and its tactics, and was regarded as the "father of trench warfare". He was also called "The Great Captain" (Spanish: El Gran Capitán).

    Christopher Columbus:
    Christopher Columbus (Italian: Cristoforo Colombo; Spanish: Cristóbal Colón; Portuguese: Cristóvão Colombo; (born between 31 October 1450 and 30 October 1451 &#8211; 20 May 1506) was an Italian explorer, navigator, and colonizer, born in the Republic of Genoa (Italy).[3][4][5][6] Under the auspices of the Catholic Monarchs of Spain, he completed four voyages across the Atlantic Ocean that led to general European awareness of the American continents. Those voyages, and his efforts to establish permanent settlements on the island of Hispaniola, initiated the Spanish colonization of the New World.

    Tomás de Torquemada
    Tomás de Torquemada (Thomas of Torquemada), O.P. (1420 &#8211; September 16, 1498) was a 15th-century Spanish Dominican friar and the first Grand Inquisitor in Spain's movement to restore Christianity among its populace in the late 15th century. He was one of the chief supporters of the Alhambra Decree, which expelled the Jews from Spain in 1492.

    Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros
    Francisco Jiménez de Cisneros, O.F.M. (1436 &#8211; November 8, 1517), known as Ximénes de Cisneros in his own lifetime, was a Spanish cardinal and statesman.[1] Starting from humble beginnings he rose to the heights of power becoming a religious reformer, twice regent of Spain, Cardinal, Grand Inquisitor, missionary of the Moors, promoted the Crusades in North Africa, and founded the Complutense University (currently the largest in Spain). Among his literary works he is best known for funding the Complutensian Polyglot Bible, the first printed polyglot of the entire Bible. He also edited and published the first printed editions of the missal (in 1500) and the breviary (in 1502) of the Mozarabic Rite and established a chapel with a college of thirteen priests to celebrate the Mozarabic divine office and mass each day in the Cathedral of Toledo.
  9. ChineseWarlord

    ChineseWarlord Prince

    Nov 6, 2012
    Why should you care?
    1. Milan
    2. Timurids
    3. Venice
    4. Ayutthaya
    5. Songhai

    This will be awesome.

    As a side note, wow, this doesn't look like it was ripped from EU(4) at all...
    Nevertheless, I'm content to play this NES. Good luck!
  10. Grandkhan

    Grandkhan Telvanni Master Wizard

    Nov 24, 2011
    Inside a mushroom
    Will fill out advisors later.

    1. Austria
    2. Timurids
    3. Hungary Bohemia
    4. England
    5. Songhai
  11. Popcornlord

    Popcornlord Steampunk Mechanic

    Oct 18, 2007
    I don't think you can rip off a NES from a game, especially a historical one. :rolleyes:

    1. Milan
    2. Saxony
    3. Venice
    4. The Papal States
    5. Portugal
  12. Arrow Gamer

    Arrow Gamer America's Dictator

    Oct 14, 2012
    The Business Plot
    1. Brandenburg
    2. Muscovy
    3. Austria
    4. France
    5. Genoa
  13. Golden1Knight

    Golden1Knight Emperor

    Apr 27, 2013
    Behind you
    1. Portugal
    2. Venice
    3. Inka
    4. Japan
    5. Aztec
  14. Azale

    Azale Deity

    Jun 29, 2002
    1. China
    2. Aztecs
    3. Abyssinia
    4. Iroquois
    5. France
  15. Grandkhan

    Grandkhan Telvanni Master Wizard

    Nov 24, 2011
    Inside a mushroom
    Re: advisor suggestions, did you want people who were, at this point in time, historically advisors to the throne in question or just prominent figures during this timeframe who could have been advisors to a royal court?
  16. mrrandomplayer

    mrrandomplayer Hopeless Situation Warrior

    Aug 1, 2012
    The land of prequel memes
    1. Venice
    2. Korea
    3. Milan
    4. Japan
    5. Vijayanagara
  17. Omega124

    Omega124 Challenging Fate

    Nov 1, 2008
    Albany, New York
    Kalmar Union
  18. Bair_the_Normal

    Bair_the_Normal 全は禪

    Jan 31, 2012
    Swiss Confederation
  19. Lord of Elves

    Lord of Elves Suede-Denim Secret Police

    Oct 31, 2009
    right behind u ;)
    1. Automen
    2. Kalmar Union
    3. Poland-Lithuania
    4. Mamluks
    5. Muscovy
  20. Ophorian

    Ophorian Holy Britannian Emperor

    Jun 18, 2013
    1. Jolly Olde England
    2. Dai Nippon
    3. Milan Fashion Week
    4. Brandenburg, praise Hohenzollern
    5. Swiss Chocolate Confederacy

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