19 Civilizations, lets vote! PART 3!

Which civs would you like to see in cIV? PLEASE vote for 2(two) civs ONLY!

  • Maya

    Votes: 10 12.7%
  • Byzantines

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • Israel

    Votes: 14 17.7%
  • Ethiopia

    Votes: 9 11.4%
  • Ottomans

    Votes: 16 20.3%
  • Mongols

    Votes: 19 24.1%
  • Iroquois

    Votes: 11 13.9%
  • Incas

    Votes: 9 11.4%
  • Zulus

    Votes: 10 12.7%
  • Celts

    Votes: 15 19.0%
  • Carthaginians

    Votes: 11 13.9%
  • Dutch

    Votes: 14 17.7%
  • Portugal

    Votes: 7 8.9%
  • Quebec

    Votes: 2 2.5%
  • Siam

    Votes: 3 3.8%
  • Mali

    Votes: 6 7.6%
  • Tibet

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • Brazil

    Votes: 4 5.1%
  • Poland

    Votes: 5 6.3%
  • Ukraine

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    79
  • Poll closed .
You're right - the Americans are most definately the odd ones out (and a couple of the European civs are too). But I think they were put in the game because most of the game's audience is in Europe or America and so the game designers wanted to allow for those patriotic sorts of people who want to play the game as "THEIR" civ... ;)
 
Lord Parkin said:
You're right - the Americans are most definately the odd ones out (and a couple of the European civs are too). But I think they were put in the game because most of the game's audience is in Europe or America and so the game designers wanted to allow for those patriotic sorts of people who want to play the game as "THEIR" civ... ;)

America deserves to be in. No Civ has had a bigger impact on global history in the past 100 years then America. Americas influence has stretched all over the globe
 
personally I think as the game begins with the ancient age, that the game itself should begin with ancient civs.
americans are only within the last 300 years and thus are a modern civ and have really no place in a game that begins in ancient times.

Talk about irrational. By your logic the mongols would self destruct halfway through the game because the ceased to exist. And need I remind you, the Americans are present in roughly 2 ages of the game's 4 ages. And if I really want to be picky, the last half of the middle age tech tree is technically also a period where the Americans exist since the technologies represent those of the late 1700s.

Please refer to this thread if you want to rationally argue this point.
 
rbis4rbb said:
America deserves to be in. No Civ has had a bigger impact on global history in the past 100 years then America. Americas influence has stretched all over the globe

England, Russia and Germany are three countries that have had huge impact in the world the last 100 years. Just as much as America/
 
England and Germany's day was in the industrial era, prior to WW2. But nobody's arguing that they shouldn't be in the game. Just that being on top in the industrial era and modern era counts for something, for all the arguments about how Civs need to be "ancient" to qualify.
 
now that you can choose which era to start in, it doesn't matter that america was born later than most other civs. sid meier civ has never been about playing the original civs (ie china india mesopotamia ) and having them duke it out. it's about choosing the civs that have made the greatest impact on world history since the dawn of time up to the present (including industrial and modern ages), and also allowing some of the other more memorable or flavorful civs. there should be diversity in choosing the civs--not just geographically or historically, but also regarding the age when civs were dominant. as such, america is a no-brainer as a representative for the modern age.

regardless of your personal opinions, america has been and still is one of the greatest influences in global culture--pop culture, technology, science, military, politics, business, video games ;). one can argue that portugal or spain has had only about the same duration in the spotlight as america. and their glory days have long been over, while america's impressions on world history are still being recorded and will have more to come. since much of the things that happen today and into the foreseeable future do depend on america's actions and processes.

if nothing else, american civ makes a great nemesis for some of you, who can then project your hostilities against america in this game.
 
Yeah... if you're that way inclined, then just pick America as an AI and nuke them to hell in the modern ages!!! :nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :D :lol:
 
America is pretty justified, being dominant for two out of four of Civ 3's ages.

I don't know why people implicitly link "civilization" with "ancient civilization". Especially when the ancient age is 4000 years long, and few of them lasted more than a couple hundred years.
 
Heck, Civ3 (or any of the previous or future Civs, for that matter) has never been about teaching a history lesson!!! :lol: The whole fun of the game is that things do NOT parallel exactly to (or even close to!) recorded history. So Hammurabi can meet and have a chat with Montezuma... and Elizabeth can have a cup of tea with Caesar and Cleopatra!!! :D
 
The mongols are a waste of space. If the only criteria for inclusion is land area we are not talking about civilization. I want the most influential civilizations not the largest land grabs

Babylonia
Persia
Summeria
Greece
Egypt
Rome
China
India
England
France
Vikings
Arab Empire
most important African civ
second most important african civ
The most influential South East Asia Civ
Celts
Incas
Aztec
most influential native american tribe

I even consider civs who have peaked now to be secondary, like the USA. And yes I am American, but we have been around for just to short a time and so come as a secondary civ in world history. Germany and Austria are others. That regions is much better represented by the vikings who later evolve into there modern counterpart much as the US evolves from the British.

But I have no illusions about this.
 
The most important African civs would likely be the Mali and the Ethiopians, but if you wanted a more southern civ, I would go with the Zulu.
 
Mali and Ethiopia are key. Although I wouldn't call for "The most important south east asian civ" without putting Japan in there first. Nor would I put the Celts or Vikings in there without Germany or the Turks or Russia in there first.
 
while yes, the 13 colonies came from britain, from even then 'til now, the us is still made out of numerous cultures and people - to simply the us as a mere byproduct of the british empire is to ignore the diversity that has and continues to develop in the us. of course, it's true, the us is highly allied w/ the british (altho don't forget, only a few hundred years ago the british were invading and burning down the white house!). but u have the spanish influenced west and southern states, louisiana was once french, not to mention the native americans who lived across the region. the us population today is hardly made up of those w/ english ancestry - even during the nation's founding, the us was still made up of seveal european ethnicties, including german, french, etc.

i mean, if one's reason to exclude to us is b/c it came from britain, then u mite as well take out the koreans and japanese, as they're believed to have migrated from china... or take out some european civs, i mean germany wasn't even a country until after the us was formed. the aztecs came much later in relation to the mayans, and only were around for a few hundred years.

b'sides, taking the world and mankind a button away from nuclear annihilation along w/ the ussr i think hardly makes them a secondary player in world history, not to mention sending people to the moon, fighting world wars, inspiring people to lead revolutions in their own countries, etc.
 
I'd like to see one that's not up there. Like the Khmers, Polynesians, Aboriginese, (Ghana, Mail, Songhai).

Ukraine?
 
The US should stay in the game, of course, even when it's a colony from europe. But there should be another civs that there aren't in the list.
 
I don't think anything will be changed at this late stage - all the civs are already confirmed. ;) You'll be able to mod new civs into the game, though. :)
 
EDA Green said:
The US should stay in the game, of course, even when it's a colony from europe. But there should be another civs that there aren't in the list.
Where do you want them to sell the game? In Afghanistan?
 
There are some good civs in here but why the ottomans and celts isn't that just kind of repeat of english and turks
 
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