2011: Cuban Civil War

[alcibaides]

It seems a bit one sided? Cuba and Venezuela against the world?

I think you should definately add the FARC, Colombian communist guerillas on the side of the "axis of good".

 

[CarthageFTW]

I find this senerio a bit ironic right now lol. Senator John McCain on Rebuplican ticket...Castro has stepped down...lol so funny.

 

[Stalin5]

Dl'ed just because John McCain won.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

You could have modern Shaka as Barack Obama...

 

[eddiewillers]

Well, one of the best scenarios I've played so far.
I agree with most of the comments, now:
*I empashize: don't let the lesser antilles empty, American Puerto Rico extends eastwards towards USVI and from there it's all "Europe" to counterweight continental central america.
*IRL Costa Rica is a de facto American Protectorate, it doesn't have a millitary. I could say the same thing about Panama.
*IRL the Commie Sandinistas have won ellections in Nicaragua I think, so there we could have another enemy.
*Capital of Ven is Caracas, duh, but more important: most of the Ven oil is in MARACAIBO (around the open-sea lake), not in the Orinoco.


Still on my beggining turns playing as good ol' John Mc Cain. Tried to play as Cuba Libre but it's a challenge to be peniless. Good sign, it a GREAT scenario!!!

 

[eddiewillers]

Sir this scenario is too cool, está bunísimo y me inspiró, and is inspiring.

It seems a bit one sided? Cuba and Venezuela against the world?

agree

When Mexico declared war on me for using a tactical against the commies (civ3 is so radiophobic!) I realized Cuba is the knot that could untie a much fun War of the Americas. I propose a new scenario with a map comprising North and South America as a continuation of this one:

My proposition of locked alliances:

*Free Alliance or NAFTA-NATO: USA led coalition of banana republics and maybe Euro or Aussie (ANZUS) support.
-USA
-Canada
-Chile
-Cuba Libre
-Estados Unidos de Mexico
-Costa Rica, Panama, El Salvador, Guatemala, Belize, Caribbean.
-Republic of Colombia
-Republic of Ecuador
-Republic of Paraguay (or just an American enclave)
-Santa Cruz insurgency in Bolivia (east plain bordering Paraguay)
-European Groenland, Caribbean, Guyanas and Falklands.

*Bolivarian (Commie) Axis or MERCOSUR with Chinese and Iranian support
-Venezuela
-Guajira Muslim Guerrilla (google it, chavez converted some native americans to islam!)
-Brazil
-Communist Cuba
-Sandinista Honduras
-Oaxaca Commie Guerrilla of Mexico
-FARC Colombia
-Bolivia (Plateau)
-Argentina(or neutral?)

*Neutral Countries:
-Urguay?

I think you should definately add the FARC, Colombian communist guerrillas on the side of the "axis of good".

agree and many more guerrillas with wonders like "Coke Trafficking Route" that produces gold per turn, and Supertraining Centers, that produce guerrilla per turn. I strongly think that guerrillas should have their own advanced technological tree with slavery included, where workers can be sacrified to producce shields for these wonders. Hijacking should be another guerrilla tech. these people will need "creative" ways to get money to counterweigh American Superiority on the skies.
Official commie govts like Venezuela or Brazil will have developed conventional armies and no access to unconventional terrorisut tactics.
Guerrillas and counter-Guerrillas play for both sides.

I'll need help to make this scenario myself, or I could help someone do it, what do you think?

 

[eddiewillers]

in this scenario Panama and Colon should have strategically important wonders.
America should begin holding Panama as it does Bahamas and P.Rico.

This way the Venezuelans will have something rewarding after they eat Colombia as they are doing now... but I have a stron beachead in Puerto Fiko.

 

[againsttheflow]

My proposition of locked alliances:

*Free Alliance or NAFTA-NATO: USA led coalition of banana republics and maybe Euro or Aussie (ANZUS) support.
-USA
-Canada
-Chile
-Cuba Libre
-Estados Unidos de Mexico
-Costa Rica, Panama, El Salvador, Guatemala, Belize, Caribbean.
-Republic of Colombia
-Republic of Ecuador
-Republic of Paraguay (or just an American enclave)
-Santa Cruz insurgency in Bolivia (east plain bordering Paraguay)
-European Groenland, Caribbean, Guyanas and Falklands.

*Bolivarian (Commie) Axis or MERCOSUR with Chinese and Iranian support
-Venezuela
-Guajira Muslim Guerrilla (google it, chavez converted some native americans to islam!)
-Brazil
-Communist Cuba
-Sandinista Honduras
-Oaxaca Commie Guerrilla of Mexico
-FARC Colombia
-Bolivia (Plateau)
-Argentina(or neutral?)

*Neutral Countries:
-Urguay?

Given what's going on over there I would recommend putting Ecuador in the Bolivarian Axis. Correa and Chavez are chums and the Colombians have recently discovered links between them and FARC, Chavez at one point after this sent tanks to the Colombian border. (for full story google, this all happened in the last year)

I'm not sure what all you're reasons were for the various countries on the 'Commie' list (Brazil? Argentina?) but that's not saying there may be good ones.

 

[eddiewillers]

Given what's going on over there I would recommend putting Ecuador in the Bolivarian Axis. Correa and Chavez are chums and the Colombians have recently discovered links between them and FARC, Chavez at one point after this sent tanks to the Colombian border. (for full story google, this all happened in the last year)

I'm not sure what all you're reasons were for the various countries on the 'Commie' list (Brazil? Argentina?) but that's not saying there may be good ones.

Agree on Ecuador

Because Brazil is the real weight center of South America, while Chavez the extremist spearhead. Also because with Brazil in we could have units like aermachis and embraer fighters, and with Argentina some ICBMs (See Alacrán). I'm looking for a full blown north-south confrontation.

back on the original scenario: What should be Honduras is Guatemala.
And truth Venezuelans are tough! The Republicanos were useless, I gave them tons of gold and could only capture (and raze!) one city before I took over all of Cuba on the first 3 turns.

 

[Meteor Man]

Well, wiped my hardrive so i'll have to dl again but...
you should probably change the president to Obama.

 

[eddiewillers]

finished yesterday wiping out the venezuelans, and honduras. only the alliance and costa rica remain. now I'm gonna play as venezuela.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

Well, wiped my hardrive so i'll have to dl again but...
you should probably change the president to Obama.

You can use modern Shaka for Obama.

 

[Meteor Man]

That's what I was thinking too, Huayna.

 

[againsttheflow]

Agree on Ecuador

Because Brazil is the real weight center of South America, while Chavez the extremist spearhead. Also because with Brazil in we could have units like aermachis and embraer fighters, and with Argentina some ICBMs (See Alacrán). I'm looking for a full blown north-south confrontation.

It all depends on exactly what you want to accomplish of course but it isn't exactly history yet I so would lean more toward leaving both Brazil and Argentina neutral (and not in a locked alliance with either each other or Uruguay).

There are ways to make them more favorable to the South American civs and even, more specifically, the socialistic ones. It leaves a lot more flexibility and makes diplomacy more important (which is, or should I see will be, more "historically accurate" and also adds IMO to hours of gameplay value). You could dampen the strength of the Free Alliance by simply including a southern portion of the US on the map and carefully gauging the productivity of the cities to represent the interests America has abroad (keeping in mind of course that all countries would extra-continental interests to some degree or another in RL).

 

[eddiewillers]

didn't reply before because I found El Justo's world map scenarios so I have my next decade all booked up.

The "fun" premise of north vs south situation in 2011 is that Venezuela continues with their Gadhafi, and Mercosur (Brazil Argenina and para-uruguays) mistakenly alignes with him.

In this (impossible) situation, war would break out between Colombia-Chile-NAFTA vs Mercosur.

 

[Sungris]

A very biased scenario... America has the army of every other country combined. I edited McCain's name to, "Obama but white", because Shaka was already president of Jamaica.

Plus, what's Venezuela doing under Communism? 'Tis a democratic republic, and Chavez is an elected president, not a crazy general that took power in a military coup.

Nicaragua is also a democratic republic with a Socialist leader, so should probably be on the side of Venezuela.

 

[eddiewillers]

A very biased scenario... America has the army of every other country combined. I edited McCain's name to, "Obama but white", because Shaka was already president of Jamaica.

Plus, what's Venezuela doing under Communism? 'Tis a democratic republic, and Chavez is an elected president, not a crazy general that took power in a military coup.

Nicaragua is also a democratic republic with a Socialist leader, so should probably be on the side of Venezuela.

Biased? America DOES have the army of most other countries combined, and certainly of all Latin American countries, and I'm counting Brazil.

Chavez is not a technically a communist but a fascist. but since this is a future scenario it's all about fun!

PD: Obama is too white for Shaka... maybe Xerxes?

 

[Meteor Man]

Xerves is not dark enough. Besides, Shaka bears some resemblance to Obama.

 

[eddiewillers]

and he's militaristic too!

 

[againsttheflow]

Plus, what's Venezuela doing under Communism? 'Tis a democratic republic, and Chavez is an elected president, not a crazy general that took power in a military coup.

That's what the Venezuelan news service is trying to tell everyone...