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Louisville really not looking like a top ten team . . .
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So I guess that means it is now official. Georgia and Oklahoma actually suck because they lost to Missouri and Texas...
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Well, Georgia sucks because all their skill players are injured. Oklahoma sucks because they're in the Big XII . . .
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Oh, sorry, I actually watched Oklahoma/Texas, not UGA/Mizzou. Mizzou lost their top two RBs and three receivers? That's some seriously bad injury luck running through the East right now. I hope it's not contagious . . .
Big 12 has gone down a bit after getting rid of middle-of-the-pack A&M and Mizzou. I think they are doing a bit better in their new conference.
Sounds like Georgia's strength & conditioning is not very elite.
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They also had 4 turnovers compared to zero. It is extremely difficult for any team to overcome those circumstances given a reasonably competent opponent, much less another ranked team.
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Mike Leach is doing an awesome job.
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Well, A&M squeaked past Ole Miss, who crushed Texas, who crushed Oklahoma, so I guess I see your point there. Still waiting on them to finish better than third in their division. I don't see much overlap between Mizzou's schedule and the Big XII, but I do expect them to improve on last year's fifth place finish . . .
It's true. He's the Bob Stoops of the SEC . . .
Yay ranking undefeated teams time
My favorite part of the week . . .1. Oregon -- I'm not even sure Washington qualified as a speed bump. Maybe more like a pothole. It does remind you that this offense can be stopped though, and there are plenty of teams capable of doing it. Just maybe not in the Pac-12. Or SEC East . . .
2. Alabama -- Still getting off to slow starts on offense, but I think we're coming together well enough to have a reasonable chance to get through without a loss. LSU's going to be tough -- we don't have the defensive backfield to put up the kind of game Florida did today -- but it's looking like the conference title game will present a weaker foe than expected . . .
3. FSU -- An off week to prepare for the trip to Death Valley -- the other one. No, the other other one. Hard to trust the freshman QB in that environment, but I don't think he'll be fazed . . .
4. Ohio State -- And then there was one. They didn't even have to play this week to get it done either. Penn State/Michigan leads me to believe that OSU has a good shot at finishing the regular season unbeaten, and I don't think Northwestern will be as much of a challenge in the title game as they were in the regular season. Still have to hope for losses by the SEC, Pac-12 and ACC champs if they want a seat at the big boy table. EDIT: Doh! Obviously NW has two conference losses now and is unlikely to make the conference title game. OTOH, that division is pretty weak and both of NW's loss are cross-division. Anyway, the point is whoever gets there isn't likely to pose much of a threat . . .
5. Clemson -- Struggled past BC, just like FSU did. I've got FSU this week . . .
6. Baylor -- So that offense can be stopped, or at least slowed. Still no reason to believe they can't run through the Big XII though. I guess there's no real reason to believe they can either. The Big XII is like throwing darts at this point . . .
7. Missouri -- MIZZOU!!! They scored 41 against Georgia and 41 against Arkansas State. That means Georgia and Arkansas State would tie, right? They face their first defense of the season this week vs. Florida, and then an improving offense vs. SCAR the following week. I'd love to see them run the table, win the East and face my beloved Tide in the conference title game, but it's not going to happen . . .
8. UCLA -- Survive and advance. Watching Utah beat Stanford makes me fell a little better about how bad UCLA's O-line looked in that Utah game, but not that much. I think they lose to an angry Stanford this week . . .
9. TT -- Close win over ISU. Good thing that game wasn't in Ames . . .
10. Miami -- Off week, no news, still unimpressed. They'll make it through the month though . . .
11. Louisville -- Seemingly less impressive every week, but I do think they looked better in the Rutgers win than they did beating Kentucky. I think UCF is a serious test Friday night, but one I expect them to pass. They shouldn't be challenged again . . .
12. Fresno State -- off week. They stay above NIU because NIU played crappy . . .
13. NIU -- We almost got rid of them this week, but Akron dropped the ball. I was going to drop them below Houston, but at least NIU has a chance to make it to their bowl game without a loss, while Houston doesn't . . .
14. Houston -- Struggled past Memphis 25-15. Will not survive . . .
So we're down to fourteen after we lose Stanford, Oklahoma and Michigan today. We're up to eleven bowl eligible teams now . . .
Legitimate threats this week:
UCF @ Louisville
TT @ WVU Any TT game is a threat to lose . . .
Florida @ Missouri Franklin's out for the year and they wouldn't have been able to score on Florida even if he was healthy. Of course, Florida can't score either . . .
UCLA @ Stanford
BYU @ Houston
FSU @ Clemson I feel like one of them's bound to lose . . .
Until TT loses, I think they should be ranked ahead of any 2 loss team, but maybe that's why I don't get a vote in the AP poll.
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It's tough to justify Georgia being that high in either poll, until you consider the teams behind them . . .
As for TT, have you really accomplished any more than NIU or Fresno State, two unbeaten teams ranked even lower? The difference between TT and those two is that the meat of your schedule is still in front of you -- plenty of opportunities to climb up through the rankings if you can keep winning . . .
As for TT, have you really accomplished any more than NIU or Fresno State, two unbeaten teams ranked even lower? The difference between TT and those two is that the meat of your schedule is still in front of you -- plenty of opportunities to climb up through the rankings if you can keep winning . . .
I do not begrudge a one loss team being ranked ahead of an undefeated team. But at two losses, this deep into the season, the two loss teams just take a place further back in the line for the time being. Enough of those undefeated teams will slip for the two loss team to recover.
TT does have a win against a then-ranked team (TCU), something that NIU and Fresno State do not have, but I mean the margin of victory was only by the same amount as LSU achieved against LSU and LSU lost to Georgia. Based on results against Georgia, LSU = Tennessee. I have established that LSU = Tech. So Tech = Tennessee and should not even be ranked. Georgia should be miffed that LSU is even ranked, much less ranked ahead of Georgia.
TT does have a win against a then-ranked team (TCU), something that NIU and Fresno State do not have, but I mean the margin of victory was only by the same amount as LSU achieved against LSU and LSU lost to Georgia. Based on results against Georgia, LSU = Tennessee. I have established that LSU = Tech. So Tech = Tennessee and should not even be ranked. Georgia should be miffed that LSU is even ranked, much less ranked ahead of Georgia.
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This is what happens when you try to read far too much into games among relatively equal teams.
You mean other than the fact that they almost beat Clemson when they were ranked 8th, beat South Carolina when they were 6th, and beat LSU when they were 6th.
Well, duh. The coin usually doesn't end up on its edge.
This is exactly why so many top teams play powderpuff teams instead of tough teams as they should. Winning records mean far too much, especially ones with no losses, while playing tough schedules means they get overly penalized in the national rankings when the inevitable occurs. And teams that don't even deserve to be in the top 25 occasionally find themselves in the top 5 merely because they haven't lost.
Perhaps what is needed instead is a "premier league" among 16 or 32 college teams based on seeding with a playoff at the end of the year based solely on win/loss record. The teams can only play themselves, and the schedule is set randomly by computer. If a college drops too far down the rankings and stays there for a set number of seasons, they can be replaced by another NCAA team waiting to move up.
The tricky thing about ranking Georgia is that they have been absolutely obliterated by injuries. The team that beat LSU, South Carolina and nearly beat Clemson doesn't exist anymore. If UGA lined up against LSU tomorrow, LSU would probably win by at least 13. We file our own Top 25 ballots for work and I think I had UGA around 16 (below Texas Tech)
Fortunately, polls in early October don't really decide who goes to what bowl. A lot of these things have a way of working itself out. Games like UGA/Clemson are more likely, not less, to happen in a playoff setting, if current schedule arrangements are any indication, so that will probably help.
Fortunately, polls in early October don't really decide who goes to what bowl. A lot of these things have a way of working itself out. Games like UGA/Clemson are more likely, not less, to happen in a playoff setting, if current schedule arrangements are any indication, so that will probably help.
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The SD on UGA's ranking is going to be large. Like dt, I would have UGA in the 15-18 range.
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I was being facetious in response to what I perceived to be a facetious remark . . .
Like DT said, it's tough to rank a team like Georgia midseason because there are so many competing measures. Do you use resume so far, do you grade the team that played this week or do you project how they will finish? At the end of the year when everyone's resume is complete it's a little easier, but for now Georgia's bad and getting worse. I don't see how they're going to move the ball at all against Florida . . .
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And some teams are winning with their third string QB.
I'm probably overly sensitive about this. One year Tech started out ranked and Notre Dame didn't. Notre Dame won a big game and leapfrogged Tech and a lot of other teams in the polls. Fair enough. Later they lost a game and stayed ahead of an unbeaten Tech. Well - I guess the fall wasn't as great as the leap - but they are Notre Dame, so give them the benefit of the doubt. Notre Dame then loses again and they still stay ahead of Tech (and stay in the top 10). That kind of crap is unjustifiable.
I can kind of understand Georgia. They started out highly ranked, lost a big game early, didn't drop that much and were considered the best one loss team. They can only fall so far after losing a second game. Tech should leapfrog them if they take care of business against West Virginia and then upset Oklahoma. Given the past two years of history, Tech will lose against West Virginia, upset Oklahoma, and then lose out, so I've got to take the peak ranking while it's available.
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Playoff committee finalized. Finished with 13 members, Arkansas AD will be the first chairman. The only names that weren't already leaked are USC AD Pat Haden, high school English teacher -- and former USA Today reporter -- Steve Wieberg, Tom Osborne and Ty Willingham . . .
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