32 European Civs

[Grey Fox]

Originally posted by mrtn
The Swedish where very much part of the Viking era, they just sailed east instead of west.
And of course the turks are european. Every people in europe is european.

Yeah, the Swedish Vikings went to the Russia area.

They, in principle, founded or united Russia. They had sweds as kings for many years.
EDIT: (Correction) The name Russia derives from Rus, the Finnish name for 'Swede,' given to the Vikings who took control of Kiev in the 9th century.
So "Russia" means Swedish Land .


And about the other Civilization in Sweden, that would be the "Samer".

Here is an image with some Samer with their traditional clothes, and some Reindeers which are their major "industry":

 

[Grey Fox]

And btw, taken from this page: http://lostclan.ath.cx/article/articleview/44/1/19/

"The occupiers and conquerors of England became English, the Normans became Franks, and the Rus became Russians. "

That means, the danish vikings that conquered parts of England, the Normans where "northmen" that settled in the "Normandy" area (which also were named after northmen).

 

[Punkymonkey]

Arent the Finnish not European but actually have a central Asian background. The speak Suomi right? They say the closest language group is in Central Asia for it. You see Europe is too mixed with different civs moving all around. I mean they've found Celtic remains in China!!!

 

[Tiger_Nation]

I don't know about that but i'll take your word for it and also the turk and kurds actually come from central asia and siberia.

 

[mrtn]

'Everyone' comes from Central Asia.

 

[The Last Conformist]

I think the language group-based civs idea was great. Lemme see, this makes for six civs:

Basques
Etruscans
Maltese
Uralics (Hungarians, Finns, Estonians, Votians, Sami, etc)
Altaics (Turks, Kazakhs, Tatars, Bashkirs, etc)
Indo-Europeans (Minoans, Greeks, Macedonians, Romans, Celts, Goths, Vandals, Franks/Frenchmen, Germans, Dutch, English, Scandinavians, Portuguese, Rumanians/Vlachs, Bulgars, Serbs, Croatians, Slovenes, Slovaks, Czechs, Poles, Kashubians, Prussians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Russians, Ukrainians, Belarussians, Ruthenians, Sorbians, Italians, Spaniards, Alemanni, Cheruscans, Catalans, Scots, Albanians, Tracians, Samnites, Oscans, Corsicans, and various others)

And yes, I'm joking ...

BTW, the Uralic languages (to which Finnish and Hungarian belongs) are spread from the Baltic Sea to deep into Siberia, with Hungarian as a southwesterly exception. There are no members of this family in Central Asia. It was long considered to be related to the Altaic languages (which include most of the languages of Central Asia, as well as Turkish and Mongolian), but this theory is now widely abandoned.

 

[John-LP]

Originally posted by Doc Tsiolkovski


I racked my brains, but who are they? Arabs? Aboriginies? Martians?

Other 4% probably means everybody else...

If any one group made up even 0.4%, it would make the chart so I can`t really be specific. However, I know we have a lot of small minority groups.

 

[trumpeteer]

It seems that everyone has forgotten the most important European civ of all - the S.M.O.M.!!!

The S(omething???) Military Order of Malta was founded in the Middle Ages to aid the Crusades. During that time SMOM's headquarters was on (surprise!!!) Malta. After the Crusades, The SMOM sat around and took up space until Napoleon Bonaparte invaded Malta. The SMOM fled to Rome where it remains an independent nation, with its own passports, etc. to this day. It currently has a population of about 80, and citizenship is by birth only. Go, uh, SMOMians!!!

 

[pawpaw]

actually they were the knights of st. john's and based on rhodes till the turks took in in 1529 ?, charles the 5 gave them malta

 

[Archer 007]

Originally posted by calgacus

You're arguments are so good; they are irrefutable in fact. There is no way that anyone could consider the Turks European from now on.

Here one, the Turks are from what is now Afghanistan.

 

[Pembroke]

Originally posted by The Last Conformist
I think the language group-based civs idea was great. Lemme see, this makes for six civs:
...
And yes, I'm joking ...

Ah, but that's an after-the-fact judgement.

At the start-up you couldn't have said whether it would be the Uralic Tribe or the Indo-European Tribe that ended up being the World Power. If those were indeed your initial tribes then I would say the Indos got a cultural or domination victory in the OTL game already a long time ago. They did a lot of quarrelling among themselves but as we all know civs can't split so they are still the Indos and thus won the game.

Seriously though, the available civs should be "those that we happen to want to play with at a particular moment", because that's what the issue really is about. This means that there ought to be 1) a big collection of ready civs mixing various ages, ethnicities and political groupings and 2) a way for modders to create new civs. The latter is already there and the former gets better with time because of the latter.

Now, to be really _really_ purist with the choice of civs maybe we ought to have:
1) Humans
2) Chimpanzees
3) Gorillas
4) Orangutans
5) Baboons
6) Gibbons
7) Monkeys
8) Tamarins

Or would that be primatecism?

 

[spaps]

Originally posted by mrtn
'Everyone' comes from Central Asia.

What about Lucy from Africa?

 

[Taliesin]

Why has nobody mentioned the Moors? They did not technically originate in Europe, but they held a formidable empire in most of Spain for several hundred years.
In addition, their civilisation was more enlightened and advanced than the other European powers at the time (the decaying Frankish kingdoms under the Carolingians and Capetians, and the weak papal territory in Italy). The Moors, being culturally linked to the Arab empire, were the scientific and cultural direct descendants of the Roman empire, making them eligible for consideration in my opinion.
Besides, many other groups people have mentioned were migrants to geographical Europe in relatively recent history, so there shouldn't be a problem with incorporating the Moors.

 

[mrtn]

Originally posted by spaps


What about Lucy from Africa?

She was from Samarkand, she only went to Ethiopia for her holidays.

Originally posted by Taliesin Why has nobody mentioned the Moors?

There's more where that came from, as we say in Alhambra.
I agree, the moors accumulated more culture in some few hundred years than many other Europeans.

 

[RegentMan]

In no order:
1. France
2. Spain
3. Italy (Not Rome)
4. England
5. Germany
6. Russia
7. Ireland
8. Austria
9. Hungary
10. Austrio-Hungary
11. Poland
12. Turkey
13. Holland (the Netherlands)
14. Belgium
15. Iceland
16. Greece
17. Switzerland
18. Czechslovakia
19. Yugoslavia
20. Denmark
21. Sweden
22. Finland
23. Portugal
24. Bulgaria
25. Romania
Sorry...these are the only European civs I want to see. I know that Austrio-Hungary, Czechslovakia, and Yugoslavia are broken up. But if we have the Aztecs or Iroquios, why not these?