5CC Space Race interest thread

DWetzel · Mar 25, 2010

Bartleby said:
lurker's comment: I think if it's 3 tiles vs. 4 tiles then 3 tiles will always get it. If the distance is equal then the higher culture will prevail.

This is definitely correct.

Of course, 1) it doesn't matter much because that's our extra oil source--the one down south is safe from culture expansion and should remain so if we are vigilant about where we let the AI settle, and 2) in the unlikely event that we need it, turning Marseilles into rubble will solve the problem nicely. :crazyeye:

TheOverseer714 · Mar 28, 2010

I finished a most unexciting set, but we are in good shape. I went ahead and researched RP, We have 2 rubber. Here is my turnlog:

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Screenshots for the Lurkers.

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The save:

Spoonwood · Mar 29, 2010

Looks to me like the cities could use more water. Battlefield Medicine as a build seems like a hint that you guys don't have much useful left to build.

del62 · Mar 29, 2010

Is there any point in building battlefield medicine at this stage, by switching to wall street immediately we gain 50gpt (it is worth the shield loss) and we have a pre-build left for future space parts, and we can use rostov to pump some infantry, cities without barracks can build artilliary.

I think we need some irrigation now, especially round novograd and moscow to get our growth and therefore research rate up, we can always remine later after growth if required

Edit - in fact we need irrigation around other cities with possible exception of Rostov

DWetzel · Mar 29, 2010

del62 said:
Is there any point in building battlefield medicine at this stage, by switching to wall street immediately we gain 50gpt (it is worth the shield loss) and we have a pre-build left for future space parts, and we can use rostov to pump some infantry, cities without barracks can build artilliary.

I think we need some irrigation now, especially round novograd and moscow to get our growth and therefore research rate up, we can always remine later after growth if required

Edit - in fact we need irrigation around other cities with possible exception of Rostov

I agree with everything you said, ESPECIALLY the first paragraph. Shields right now are of basically no importance to us, so wasting some to get Wall Street sooner is a no-brainer IMO. I wouldn't be stunned to see setting a city to wealth be our best option (though we have enough $$ that this really shouldn't be needed).

I might not go full-out on irrigation everywhere, I'd keep one or two high-shield producers to crank out enough military to not have to worry about it (Rostov and Moscow, off the top of my head) and water the rest.

del62 · Mar 31, 2010

How long do we give SK8BoardBob2 to comment before we give him a skip?

sk8boardbob2 · Mar 31, 2010

I'll have this played tomorrow.

sk8boardbob2 · Apr 2, 2010

Spoiler :

Atomic Theory will be done this turn, we're currently researching at 100% with ~120gpt surplus

We have three cities producing wealth, Moscow can build ToE in 11 turns whenever we decide to build that. Irrigation has been temporarily paused to deal with pollution. Yekaterinburg is for the most part irrigated and Yaroslav and Novogrod were being irrigated before pollution control.

If you're wondering why I was cash rushing infantry, I was disbanding obsolete units, any non-veteran units and veteran ACav, and then rushing to give us 1 turn infantry. The infantry would then replace the disbanded units in the blockade.

del62 · Apr 2, 2010

I have played my turnset

Rather than giving a complete turn log, which was basically worker moves i have the highlights

I have used Yerikanteberg as a worker factory alternating between workers and wealth each turn as it had two turn growth and that would only give extra scientists

I have set up trade with babylonians wines for silks so can be renewed every 20 turns

Fisrt turn Atomic Thory (If we had gone steel->combustion->Mass Production we would soon have had tanks (nvm)

In 1170 I set up following trades

medicine

Joan gives 13gtp + 50 gold
hitties give 20gpt plus a little gold

sell industrialisation (time to sell with US completing soon) for 31gpt + 30 gold and nationalism to ottomans and industialisation for 82 gpt to incans

1210 - 1220 Steel discovered onto combusion

1240 Get Free Artistry + worker in trade with hittites

Another question, why was a hittite worker added to Moscow

del62 · Apr 4, 2010

DWetzel you are up

DWetzel · Apr 4, 2010

Alrighty, I got it. Not much to it so I'll try to knock it out later today.

DWetzel · Apr 4, 2010

DWetzel said:
Alrighty, I got it. Not much to it so I'll try to knock it out later today.

Er, make that tomorrow. (Sorry.)

DWetzel · Apr 5, 2010

Pre: I find a few things that could conceivably need to be built, so I start building them. The courthouse in Rostov (which should get us from 66 shields to a slightly greater number that will involve being greater than 200/3) is the only one of much consequence. I merge a couple workers in to Moscow and convert them to civil engineers; Shakes comes in a turn cheaper.

1265: Combustion in, Mass Production in 5. Inca and Babylon sign MPP, if we care. Shakespeare's built in Moscow, which will build a few one-turn artillery (you never can tell).

1290: Mass Production in; three commercial docks come online next turn. INCA START THEORY OF EVOLUTION. Shouldn't be a big concern. Motorized Transportation in 5. The other two techs were at 7 turns each; it's my hope that a bit of growth + the docks will shave that to 6. That means we have 17-19 turns before the modern age; we should time TOE to build in that time frame. At 28 spot currently, plus the ability to play with civil engineers, Novogrod will start TOE once the dock is built next turn.

1295: Novogrod starts TOE. It's nominally in 22 turns. We should not be worried about Inca. I investigated Cuzco (the build site), and at 11 spt, it'll come in a mere 49 turns.

I have the TOE prebuild going on the principle that we shouldn't waste our SGL on it, and there isn't much else to build. Only some minor tweaking with the specialists should be needed for a perfect TOE build (we want it to come in just as we enter the modern age). The other builds are completely inconsequential; I have the super long burn military academy going at 7 spt on the principle that we can eventually turn it into a ship part (LOL). I built up our military a bit at the cost of our gpt, since I don't think we can possibly go negative at this point (famous last words). I also spent a few hundred gold to get the docks up immediately.

Left Moscow at 80 spt (actually 82), if we want to change it by going all water there, we can.

No units have been moved this turn.

del62 · Apr 6, 2010

If we get Electronics before flight, we can then use hoovers to allow a little overrun on pre build for TOE switching on turn before flight discovered, this will delay hoovers a bit, but that should not be a big problem

Though that could not be done in Novograd as it is not on river

Be nice to build some tanks soon

TheOverseer714 · Apr 6, 2010

Got the save, will play soon, possibly tomorrow.

DWetzel · Apr 6, 2010

I didn't bother, but there's gems to be traded for; that may not be a bad idea just in case. If nothing else it ties them up.

TheOverseer714 · Apr 10, 2010

Sorry it took a week, its been so busy for me. Everything is ready for the next player to get us into the next era with a bang, we should finish ToE the same turn as we finish Flight, either on turn 9 or 7. To do it in less would require food shortage in Novgorod. Rostov has Hoover Dam n 7 also, so that could be our fast UN too or build ToE there in 5, use the ToE build in Novgorod.as SETI, and use the SGL for UN in Moscow. I'd also gift up the Ottoman and Babs to see what freebies they get and then our freebies too could get us as many as 5 free techs in a single turn.

Here is the turn-log:

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Screenshots for the Lurkers.

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The save:

sk8boardbob2 · Apr 10, 2010

Alright I'll try to do this tomorrow. A small question about the new era stuff. Anyone know what order the screens pop up IBT? You usually don't get the free techs from ToE until it asks you for the next tech to research. You don't get the free scientific tech until you close the advisers after the "big picture". I imagine the sequence goes something like this
1. finish research, end of era
2. splash screen with big picture, click it
3. gift up other civs without ever visiting the scientific advior
4. as you close it, you get the free tech from being scientific
5. popup screen asking for research direction, get 2 techs from ToE

I don't want to mess this up so I'd like to get this clarified if possible.

TheOverseer714 · Apr 10, 2010

I think thats correct, but make sure that you visit the domestic advisor and lower the research slider to zero so you have everything you can to trade for the opponents freebies. I would also burn our lone worker to colonize the 2nd furs tile the turn before Flight finishes as further trade bait. Should that and huge lump sms and gpt not even be enough, you can go back to the domestic advisor and turn beakerheads into IRS men to artificially raise our gpt, just don't go into a city, do it only from the domestic advisor. Barrring terrible luck, we should get 4 techs free and maybe 5. If I am wrong about any of this, someone please correct me.

Spoonwood · Apr 11, 2010

That's the order I would suggest.

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