idk, all the nation-states which make up OTL USA is about 141, give or take if I messed up which indian tribes are which. That's 16.5%, lower than my above estimate, but still a pretty big chunk.
A Brave New World Part 2
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idk, all the nation-states which make up OTL USA is about 141, give or take if I messed up which indian tribes are which. That's 16.5%, lower than my above estimate, but still a pretty big chunk.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Not only that but the resources of European nations are spread over a wider area, too, and South America is a factor in play as well. I reckon there's more industry ITL than OTL.
True, Mexico controls a large chunk of the USA. Also I understand that several regions of the world, like Brazil, became industrialized ITL, which does account for more flatness. However, my main point was simply comparing Russia (ITL democratic powerhouse) to OTL USA, and its still only 1/3-1/5 as powerful as OTL USA during the same time period. Also its only about 1/3 as powerful to ITL USA if it were a unified state.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
TO: World
FROM: Georgia
Virginia's proof of communist plots has only backed up our claim of innocence. We must work together to stop them before they turn us on ourselves.
FROM: Georgia
Virginia's proof of communist plots has only backed up our claim of innocence. We must work together to stop them before they turn us on ourselves.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
Yes but is this power being considered absolutely or relatively? Relatively speaking, Russia isn't as powerful because the rest of the world is much more powerful; absolutely, however, Russia may be more powerful than the US who is just a big fish in a small pond.
The reasoning crezth used is my argument on Russia. Also, USA as opposed to Russia had different backgrounds, where as advanced Russia may be here, a lot of their economic value is self-subsistence to a national degree. Yeah, they may not be as strong as real life America, but they are probably more economically secure.
Milarqui
Deity
From: Danish Empire
To: Members of the European Alliance of Nations
It is with great regret and my last act as the Prime Minister of the Danish Empire, that I shall retire our distinguished and prosperous nation from this alliance. The liberal Dansk Fremskridtspartiet, which recently won the elections but has yet to take on the holds of the government, had promised to retire this country out of the great alliance we helped to give birth to and build up. As, with much probability, the new government will do this same thing, but with less than kind words towards you (specially towards Germany), the current government has decided to act in this direction so that, at least, a friendly relationship can remain between our countries, even if we might never be able to act together like we have for the last years.
From today, February 28th 1919, the Danish Empire shall be considered to be no more part of the European Alliance of Nations, and with my signature I, Thorvald Stauning, Prime Minister of the Danish Empire and its colonies, so confirm it.
Yours faithfully,
Thorvald Stauning
Prime Minister of the Danish Empire
That's it, Stauning thought sadly. The love he felt for his country was what had driven him to write this letter. With the recent victory of the Fremskridtspartiet in the elections, using the retirement of the Danish Empire from the EAN as the flagship of their promise list (which was probably what had attracted the most people to change from voting to the Konservative Folkeparti to the Fremskridspartiet), he was quite sure that the liberals would do the same, but they would most probably do it with harsher words towards the Germans, and he didn't want diplomatic relationships with their neighbours go down the drain.
He was rather sad that the liberals identified the European Alliance of Nations with Germany and war, without regards to the fact that Sweden, England, Hungary and Netherlands were also part of it, and that, through the EAN, many important scientifical, military and industrial developments had been achieved. He supposed that the defeat and the anti-EAN feeling was the fault of his government as much as the international situation: his cabinet had voted in favour to join the war against the Ottoman Empire and Egypt, and the only thing that had been won was thousands of dead soldiers. Also, they hadn't been able to do much to fight against the economical crisis that had shaken the world, although he supposed that the African Dams project was doing some good, as it gave work to lots of people in Nijeria and South-East Africa.
Looking at the letter he had just written, he called for his secretary and asked her to make six copies. He would later call for a messenger to deliver the letters to the embassies of the EAN members with a diplomatic bag. The sixth letter would be given to his spokesman, as he would be the one to deliver the news to the newspapers.
OOC: Sorry very much, guys, but the events forced me to do this. If I could, I would have remained within the EAN, but I have to hear the will of the people (and no, my king won't try to do a coup d'etat, he is quite fond of the liberal government). It was quite nice to work next to you, and hope that there will be other chance to do it. We are still in the ACC, and will do our best to help people eliminate the scourge of violent socialism and communism.
To: Members of the European Alliance of Nations
It is with great regret and my last act as the Prime Minister of the Danish Empire, that I shall retire our distinguished and prosperous nation from this alliance. The liberal Dansk Fremskridtspartiet, which recently won the elections but has yet to take on the holds of the government, had promised to retire this country out of the great alliance we helped to give birth to and build up. As, with much probability, the new government will do this same thing, but with less than kind words towards you (specially towards Germany), the current government has decided to act in this direction so that, at least, a friendly relationship can remain between our countries, even if we might never be able to act together like we have for the last years.
From today, February 28th 1919, the Danish Empire shall be considered to be no more part of the European Alliance of Nations, and with my signature I, Thorvald Stauning, Prime Minister of the Danish Empire and its colonies, so confirm it.
Yours faithfully,
Thorvald Stauning
Prime Minister of the Danish Empire
That's it, Stauning thought sadly. The love he felt for his country was what had driven him to write this letter. With the recent victory of the Fremskridtspartiet in the elections, using the retirement of the Danish Empire from the EAN as the flagship of their promise list (which was probably what had attracted the most people to change from voting to the Konservative Folkeparti to the Fremskridspartiet), he was quite sure that the liberals would do the same, but they would most probably do it with harsher words towards the Germans, and he didn't want diplomatic relationships with their neighbours go down the drain.
He was rather sad that the liberals identified the European Alliance of Nations with Germany and war, without regards to the fact that Sweden, England, Hungary and Netherlands were also part of it, and that, through the EAN, many important scientifical, military and industrial developments had been achieved. He supposed that the defeat and the anti-EAN feeling was the fault of his government as much as the international situation: his cabinet had voted in favour to join the war against the Ottoman Empire and Egypt, and the only thing that had been won was thousands of dead soldiers. Also, they hadn't been able to do much to fight against the economical crisis that had shaken the world, although he supposed that the African Dams project was doing some good, as it gave work to lots of people in Nijeria and South-East Africa.
Looking at the letter he had just written, he called for his secretary and asked her to make six copies. He would later call for a messenger to deliver the letters to the embassies of the EAN members with a diplomatic bag. The sixth letter would be given to his spokesman, as he would be the one to deliver the news to the newspapers.
OOC: Sorry very much, guys, but the events forced me to do this. If I could, I would have remained within the EAN, but I have to hear the will of the people (and no, my king won't try to do a coup d'etat, he is quite fond of the liberal government). It was quite nice to work next to you, and hope that there will be other chance to do it. We are still in the ACC, and will do our best to help people eliminate the scourge of violent socialism and communism.
Anonymous2U
Deadly Serious
Again more accusations without proof. We challenge France and Virginia to backup their claims. We are sure their claims will turn out to be as truthful as Georgia’s claims of Communist plots.
Jason The King
Deity
Send a representative to Richmond. We will show you the evidence.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
The same goes double for us! You damn dirty Commies can't pull a fast one on us.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
Georgia will send a representative to the communists. With a gun.
To: Virginia, All concerned
From: The Union of Mexico
The Union of Mexico will send representatives to Richmond to see this evidence. Our government has in no way condoned such activities.
To: Texas, The Gulf Alliance
From: The Union of Mexico
The Georgian plots against Texas' president shows the true nature and violence of the Klannist movement. These Klans gain support by creating chaos and lies and cannot be trusted. We believe that it is in both the Gulf Alliance and the Union of Mexico's best interests to co-operate with each other to ensure security and stability throughout the region. As such we believe it would be best for our nations intelligence agencies to work together in the future to ensure that if any further violent action against either of our nations are attempted they will be foiled and brought to the attention of the world.
From: The Union of Mexico
The Union of Mexico will send representatives to Richmond to see this evidence. Our government has in no way condoned such activities.
To: Texas, The Gulf Alliance
From: The Union of Mexico
The Georgian plots against Texas' president shows the true nature and violence of the Klannist movement. These Klans gain support by creating chaos and lies and cannot be trusted. We believe that it is in both the Gulf Alliance and the Union of Mexico's best interests to co-operate with each other to ensure security and stability throughout the region. As such we believe it would be best for our nations intelligence agencies to work together in the future to ensure that if any further violent action against either of our nations are attempted they will be foiled and brought to the attention of the world.
TerrisH
Mischief?
OOC: wow. thread was so active.. then suddenly droped dead for 3 days. still
IC:
Results of this years Olymipics:
German Empire: Ten Gold medals, Four Silver Medals, and Eight Bronze Medals
Russian Imperial Federation: Eight Gold medals, Seven Silver Medals, and Seven Bronze Medals
Union of Mexico: Six Gold medals, Five Silver Medals, and Four Bronze Medals
Republic of New England: 5 Gold, 4 Silver, and 3 Bronze Medals
France: 3 Gold, 4 Silver, and 6 Bronze Medals
Ottoman Empire: 3 Gold 1 Silver, and 2 Bronze Medals
Canada: 3 Gold 1 Silver, and 1 Bronze Medals
"Empire of Haiti" and "Virginian Empire": 2 Gold, 3 Silver, and 3 Bronze Medals
Hawaii: 2 Gold, 2 Silver
Socialist Union of South America: 2 Gold, 1 Silver, and 2 Bronze Medals
"Georgia" and "Florida": 1 Gold
"Swedish Empire", "Romania", and "Liberia": 2 Silver
"Scotland", "Jamaica", "Danish Empire", and "Greece": 1 Silver and 1 Bronze Medal"
"England", "Hungary", and "Serbia": 1 Silver
Chile: 3 Bronze Medals
"Commune of the Lakota People", "Portugal", and "Cuba": 1 Bronze Medal
IC:
Results of this years Olymipics:
German Empire: Ten Gold medals, Four Silver Medals, and Eight Bronze Medals
Russian Imperial Federation: Eight Gold medals, Seven Silver Medals, and Seven Bronze Medals
Union of Mexico: Six Gold medals, Five Silver Medals, and Four Bronze Medals
Republic of New England: 5 Gold, 4 Silver, and 3 Bronze Medals
France: 3 Gold, 4 Silver, and 6 Bronze Medals
Ottoman Empire: 3 Gold 1 Silver, and 2 Bronze Medals
Canada: 3 Gold 1 Silver, and 1 Bronze Medals
"Empire of Haiti" and "Virginian Empire": 2 Gold, 3 Silver, and 3 Bronze Medals
Hawaii: 2 Gold, 2 Silver
Socialist Union of South America: 2 Gold, 1 Silver, and 2 Bronze Medals
"Georgia" and "Florida": 1 Gold
"Swedish Empire", "Romania", and "Liberia": 2 Silver
"Scotland", "Jamaica", "Danish Empire", and "Greece": 1 Silver and 1 Bronze Medal"
"England", "Hungary", and "Serbia": 1 Silver
Chile: 3 Bronze Medals
"Commune of the Lakota People", "Portugal", and "Cuba": 1 Bronze Medal
tuxedohamm
Disguised as crow.
The Constitution of the Tennessee Republic
Preamble
As a desire to allow all people of Tennessee a right to actively have a say in the direction of their nation, land, and property, this document is given and the republic formed.
Article I
Section I
All land and territory currently possessed by Tennessee shall be a part of the Tennessee Republic. This includes Eastern Tennessee, Middle Tennessee, and Western Tennessee.
Additional territory may join the Tennessee Republic by decision of the legislature.
Section II
All who own land within the declared Tennessee Republic and their immediate families shall be full Tennessean Citizens. Any person who is descendant by no more than one generation of a land owning Tennessean or that spends five years in active service of the Tennessean Military shall be granted a full Citizen.
Once this document is ratified, a non-citizen may not purchase land until they have achieved citizenship.
Other persons may be granted a full Citizen by rules set forth by the legislature.
Article II
Section I
All powers of legislative activity are give to the Senate of Tennessee.
Section II
Each Member of the House of Owners shall be no less than 25 years of age and have served no less than three years in active service of the Tennessean Military. A Member must own land and reside in the county from which he shall represent.
Each county shall elect one Member and each Member shall have one vote in the Senate. Members will be elected every five years beginning in the year Nineteen-Hundred Twenty. If a Member is unable to serve his full term, the governing members of the county shall choose a new Member to serve the remainder of the term.
Section III
Each Member of the House of Citizens shall be no less than 20 years of age and have served no less than three years in active service of the Tennessean Military. A Member must reside in the county from which he shall represent and must be a citizen of Tennessee.
Each county shall have at least one Member and no Member shall represent more than 50,000 citizens. The total number of Members of the House of Citizens shall not exceed four times the number of counties.
Section IV
The legislature shall have power over:
1. Trade and regulations protecting domestic and foreign trade; taxes related to trade and the protection thereof.
2. Legislation of weights and measurements; coinage and notes of currency.
3. Rules of military affairs and engagements as to be enforced by the executive; the right to declare war and ratify foreign agreements as negotiated by the executive.
4. Organization of the military and naval forces.
5. Postal and telegraph communications and affairs; affairs of the rail and waterways as needed for defense and commerce.
6. Legal procedures respecting criminal and civil law.
7. Ratify foreign agreements as negotiated by the President.
The House of Owners shall have sole power to make a vote of No-confidence of the Premier.
Laws must pass majority votes by both houses to become enforceable by the executive.
Article III
Section I
All powers concerned with the executive shall be the exclusive domain of the President and Premier.
Section II
The President shall be no less than 30 years of age and a native-born citizen of Tennessee. He shall have resided within the Territory of the Tennessee Republic for five of the last seven years. He will be elected directly by a majority vote of the citizens of Tennessee. The first of which shall be in Nineteen-Hundred Twenty-five. Until then, the former monarch shall assume the duties of President.
Section III
The President shall be the head of state and responsible for the following executive tasks:
1. Commander of the Tennessee Military and execute defense for Tennessee.
2. Negotiate treaties and agreements made with foreign powers and dignitaries.
3. Act as representative of Tennessee in all foreign affairs.
Section IV
The Premier shall be no less than 25 years of age and a native-born citizen of Tennessee. He shall have resided within the Territory of the Tennessee Republic for the past five years. He shall be chosen by the President and must then receive a majority vote from the House of Owners.
If no vote occurs or majority is not reached within 30 days, the President has 30 days to choose another or the House of Citizens shall submit a nominee within 30 days.
Section V
The Premier shall conduct domestic affairs and enforce the laws set forth by the Senate. He shall assign members to the cabinet who shall assist in carrying forth the duties of the executive.
Section VI
Bills as passed by the Senate shall become law only if signed by either the President or Premier. If neither signs after 30 days then the document becomes de facto law. If both agree to strike-down the document, then the bill fails to be law.
Article IV
Section I
All powers concerned with the judiciary shall rest solely within the domain of the High Council
Section II
A member of the High Council is nominated by the President and must receive a majority vote by the Owners. He shall serve until he chooses to step down or until he is unable to serve in good health. There shall be two members for each region who shall prior to nomination live in that region. An additional member shall head the court and be nominated from the sitting Council members.
Section III
The court powers shall be to interpret the law as created by the Senate; settle disputes between regions or counties; and handle appeals from nation-regional courts.
Article V
Section I
This document represents the highest rule of the Tennessee Republic. If any law contradicts this document, this document shall hold precedence.
Section II
This document shall be applied to all of Tennessee once two of three regions ratify it.
Section III
Anything not expressly written in this document shall be the domain of the regional government or counties.
Section IV
This document may be amended on the vote of two-thirds of both Houses of Senate. It shall then be ratified by a majority of the counties before the amendment is added.
Article VI
Section I
No government shall make law which will remove a citizen's right to speak, publish, or assemble openly, or remove a citizen's right to bear arms as a local militia by which to protect this document.
Section II
The government shall not be able to seize or search property from a citizen or hold a citizen against their will with no reason.
Signed,
King Edward Smith
Henry Galeth
Jonathan Barrow
Edward Franklin
William Johnson
Capt. Joseph Fountain
William Jackson
Jonathan Willson
Preamble
As a desire to allow all people of Tennessee a right to actively have a say in the direction of their nation, land, and property, this document is given and the republic formed.
Article I
Section I
All land and territory currently possessed by Tennessee shall be a part of the Tennessee Republic. This includes Eastern Tennessee, Middle Tennessee, and Western Tennessee.
Additional territory may join the Tennessee Republic by decision of the legislature.
Section II
All who own land within the declared Tennessee Republic and their immediate families shall be full Tennessean Citizens. Any person who is descendant by no more than one generation of a land owning Tennessean or that spends five years in active service of the Tennessean Military shall be granted a full Citizen.
Once this document is ratified, a non-citizen may not purchase land until they have achieved citizenship.
Other persons may be granted a full Citizen by rules set forth by the legislature.
Article II
Section I
All powers of legislative activity are give to the Senate of Tennessee.
Section II
Each Member of the House of Owners shall be no less than 25 years of age and have served no less than three years in active service of the Tennessean Military. A Member must own land and reside in the county from which he shall represent.
Each county shall elect one Member and each Member shall have one vote in the Senate. Members will be elected every five years beginning in the year Nineteen-Hundred Twenty. If a Member is unable to serve his full term, the governing members of the county shall choose a new Member to serve the remainder of the term.
Section III
Each Member of the House of Citizens shall be no less than 20 years of age and have served no less than three years in active service of the Tennessean Military. A Member must reside in the county from which he shall represent and must be a citizen of Tennessee.
Each county shall have at least one Member and no Member shall represent more than 50,000 citizens. The total number of Members of the House of Citizens shall not exceed four times the number of counties.
Section IV
The legislature shall have power over:
1. Trade and regulations protecting domestic and foreign trade; taxes related to trade and the protection thereof.
2. Legislation of weights and measurements; coinage and notes of currency.
3. Rules of military affairs and engagements as to be enforced by the executive; the right to declare war and ratify foreign agreements as negotiated by the executive.
4. Organization of the military and naval forces.
5. Postal and telegraph communications and affairs; affairs of the rail and waterways as needed for defense and commerce.
6. Legal procedures respecting criminal and civil law.
7. Ratify foreign agreements as negotiated by the President.
The House of Owners shall have sole power to make a vote of No-confidence of the Premier.
Laws must pass majority votes by both houses to become enforceable by the executive.
Article III
Section I
All powers concerned with the executive shall be the exclusive domain of the President and Premier.
Section II
The President shall be no less than 30 years of age and a native-born citizen of Tennessee. He shall have resided within the Territory of the Tennessee Republic for five of the last seven years. He will be elected directly by a majority vote of the citizens of Tennessee. The first of which shall be in Nineteen-Hundred Twenty-five. Until then, the former monarch shall assume the duties of President.
Section III
The President shall be the head of state and responsible for the following executive tasks:
1. Commander of the Tennessee Military and execute defense for Tennessee.
2. Negotiate treaties and agreements made with foreign powers and dignitaries.
3. Act as representative of Tennessee in all foreign affairs.
Section IV
The Premier shall be no less than 25 years of age and a native-born citizen of Tennessee. He shall have resided within the Territory of the Tennessee Republic for the past five years. He shall be chosen by the President and must then receive a majority vote from the House of Owners.
If no vote occurs or majority is not reached within 30 days, the President has 30 days to choose another or the House of Citizens shall submit a nominee within 30 days.
Section V
The Premier shall conduct domestic affairs and enforce the laws set forth by the Senate. He shall assign members to the cabinet who shall assist in carrying forth the duties of the executive.
Section VI
Bills as passed by the Senate shall become law only if signed by either the President or Premier. If neither signs after 30 days then the document becomes de facto law. If both agree to strike-down the document, then the bill fails to be law.
Article IV
Section I
All powers concerned with the judiciary shall rest solely within the domain of the High Council
Section II
A member of the High Council is nominated by the President and must receive a majority vote by the Owners. He shall serve until he chooses to step down or until he is unable to serve in good health. There shall be two members for each region who shall prior to nomination live in that region. An additional member shall head the court and be nominated from the sitting Council members.
Section III
The court powers shall be to interpret the law as created by the Senate; settle disputes between regions or counties; and handle appeals from nation-regional courts.
Article V
Section I
This document represents the highest rule of the Tennessee Republic. If any law contradicts this document, this document shall hold precedence.
Section II
This document shall be applied to all of Tennessee once two of three regions ratify it.
Section III
Anything not expressly written in this document shall be the domain of the regional government or counties.
Section IV
This document may be amended on the vote of two-thirds of both Houses of Senate. It shall then be ratified by a majority of the counties before the amendment is added.
Article VI
Section I
No government shall make law which will remove a citizen's right to speak, publish, or assemble openly, or remove a citizen's right to bear arms as a local militia by which to protect this document.
Section II
The government shall not be able to seize or search property from a citizen or hold a citizen against their will with no reason.
Signed,
King Edward Smith
Henry Galeth
Jonathan Barrow
Edward Franklin
William Johnson
Capt. Joseph Fountain
William Jackson
Jonathan Willson
I don't have extensive amounts of time with the internet here, so here's the deal. This be the 48 hour warning for orders. I don't have time to respond to questions or extensive diplomacy, so just get in what you can. I'll begin the update at 10 PM on Wednesday, and it shall be posted by 10 PM on Thursday. I will not be able to recieve orders during the update, so if you don't have them in by the deadline, well you're just plain out of luck.
human-slaughter
brand new year
From: Texas
To: Georgia
Will you permit our investigators to examine your logs regarding persons who leave and enter your nation for the last 5 years. This is in order to corroborate some stories and evidence acquired from captured members of the assassination team.
To: Georgia
Will you permit our investigators to examine your logs regarding persons who leave and enter your nation for the last 5 years. This is in order to corroborate some stories and evidence acquired from captured members of the assassination team.
Arian
No more ghostbusting!!
To: all political parties in Hungary and others who are interested
From: King Charles V of Hungary
We, King Charles V, wish order, peace and stability restored in our country. We hereby allow constructive, non-violent political activity for all parties.
From: King Charles V of Hungary
We, King Charles V, wish order, peace and stability restored in our country. We hereby allow constructive, non-violent political activity for all parties.
Crezth
i knew you were a real man of the left
To: King Charles V
From: France
We hereby applaud your decision for free and open political activity because it is free and open and that is good.
From: France
We hereby applaud your decision for free and open political activity because it is free and open and that is good.
Stormbringer
The Brick and The Rose
I would like to send orders but I need questions that I sent you answered first EQ.
