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Quite obviously, you've never watched FOX News.
A foreigner's view of FOX News
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Quite obviously, you've never watched FOX News.
Sultan Bhargash
Trickster Reincarnated
Go FAUX!
Yep, keep projecting that image around the world, not enough people hate us yet.
Yep, keep projecting that image around the world, not enough people hate us yet.
LesCanadiens
Deity
I believe the writer meant that there is merely a small picture of the Turkish flag on screen, still, whereas the American flag is fluttering as if in the wind. Perhaps something to do with Turkish culture?
aaminion00
Stoned
You'd think so wouldn't you?
What kind of question is that? Are you saying media doesn't influence people's perception of certain things? If you're from another country where FOX News is the #1 outlet for American Politics, the opinions and guests and polls and statistics and interviews and shows from FOX News (which as the article shows a little bit of, are clearly biased) are what you'll have to try and figure out how Americans feel about world issues. When 69% of Americans say that even if there were no WMD, bombing Iraq was justified, that sends a message to Turks watching the program. And how many times have people in this thread mentioned that news stations have target audiences? Exactly. FOX News targets the average American. People from other countries aren't dumb. They know this. They also know that FOX News is one of, if not, the most popular American news channels today. And if the rhetoric FOX News supplies on a daily basis is what Americans want to hear, as it's been proven, then foreigners can form their own opinions. Yes, FOX News has talking heads on both sides shouting at each other. But if you look at it objectionatly, the conservative talking heads are a lot more prevelent and present than the other side of the story. Which isn't necessarily the problem. The problem is that too often those talking heads make stupid statements, such as the one about Chile, which floats over the American audience but instill an opinion of American arrogance in others.
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Originally posted by MummyMan
"'a religion based on war and slavery,' according to Pat Robertson"
I dunno how reliable that is. Seems pretty farfetched that that kind of opinion would appear on any American news station.
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You'd think so wouldn't you?"
Have you ever heard anything like that aaminion?
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Originally posted by MummyMan
"'a religion based on war and slavery,' according to Pat Robertson"
I dunno how reliable that is. Seems pretty farfetched that that kind of opinion would appear on any American news station.
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You'd think so wouldn't you?"
Have you ever heard anything like that aaminion?
Sultan Bhargash
Trickster Reincarnated
Yes I not only heard it but it appeared in many articles and they had to force a retraction.
aaminion00
Stoned
have I personally heard it mentioned on Fox News?
No, I don't watch Fox News. I find them to be far too biased. I preferr CNN.
But it does happen. Maybe not every day, perhaps not even on a weekly basis. But stupid stupid offensive comments should NEVER be on an objective News station. Period.
The Robertson quote mentioned is not farfetched at all. In fact, it happened on September 18th, on Hannity and Colmes.
To quote Robertson
PR: This man was an absolute wild-eyed fanatic. He was a robber and a brigand. And to say that these terrorists distort Islam, theyre carrying out Islam.
Sean Hannity's reaction?
SH: Reverend, how widespread do you think that fanatical interpretation is? Do you think its mainstream? Or do you think its the majority of Muslims?
PR: ... Islam is a monumental scam...
SH: So Islam is a threat bigger than what most people are willing to say publicly?... Do you think its inevitable, then, that the world is going to be in conflict, perhaps even at war, with Islam for many decades to come?
Well. Thank god the talking heads of FOX are willing to put the foot down on anti-muslim remarks. Not to worry thouhg. I'm sure they wouldn't do anything if someone said something bad about Christianity or Judaism. Oh well. I'm sure by the second segment of the show, Robertson would've been told to be a little more sensetive.
PR: The Quran is strictly a theft of Jewish theology. I mean, this man (Muhammad) was a killer. And to think that this is a peaceful religion is fraudulent
Whoops. Guess again.
Stupid remarks like this are only magnified considering that they will make thousands of websites every time they are made.
No, I don't watch Fox News. I find them to be far too biased. I preferr CNN.
But it does happen. Maybe not every day, perhaps not even on a weekly basis. But stupid stupid offensive comments should NEVER be on an objective News station. Period.
The Robertson quote mentioned is not farfetched at all. In fact, it happened on September 18th, on Hannity and Colmes.
To quote Robertson
PR: This man was an absolute wild-eyed fanatic. He was a robber and a brigand. And to say that these terrorists distort Islam, theyre carrying out Islam.
Sean Hannity's reaction?
SH: Reverend, how widespread do you think that fanatical interpretation is? Do you think its mainstream? Or do you think its the majority of Muslims?
PR: ... Islam is a monumental scam...
SH: So Islam is a threat bigger than what most people are willing to say publicly?... Do you think its inevitable, then, that the world is going to be in conflict, perhaps even at war, with Islam for many decades to come?
Well. Thank god the talking heads of FOX are willing to put the foot down on anti-muslim remarks. Not to worry thouhg. I'm sure they wouldn't do anything if someone said something bad about Christianity or Judaism. Oh well. I'm sure by the second segment of the show, Robertson would've been told to be a little more sensetive.
PR: The Quran is strictly a theft of Jewish theology. I mean, this man (Muhammad) was a killer. And to think that this is a peaceful religion is fraudulent
Whoops. Guess again.
Stupid remarks like this are only magnified considering that they will make thousands of websites every time they are made.
Greadius
:yeah:
They always report retractions and mistakes after the majors have. Even the opinionated talking heads have their pet issues, like Bill O'Reilly ripping on the administration for its immigration policy.
However, there are some people that do fawn over the government. Don't they deserve to have their opinions aired? If you don't want to hear FOXs take, try changing the station instead of complaining to change the channel.
You're saying Pat Robertson should be censored because you don't like his opinion?
He's not lying. The early days of Islam aren't anything to trumpet with pride. The fact that Pat Robertson uses it as an excuse to rip on Islam is lazy, but that is his opinion.
Actually, I've heard that at the end of the programming line-up the national station shows a screen side picture of the Turkish flag flapping in the wind!
I'm sure Flapping Flag Phil didn't watch Turkish TV long enough to catch that.
Then you're wasting your time. Even though, Fox has talking head shows where they get two people to argue, which should CLEARLY show that there is no such thing as a homogenous American opinion. Only about 7 or 8% of American's watch Fox news regularly. You can't watch a cable news network to try and get a grasp on a country this diverse, or its political standing. People attempting to do that are going to get an incomplete impression if they're watching Fox, CNN, MSNBC, ABC, or anything except C-Span.
Yeah; that we think freedom is more important WMD. I thought the flapping flag was supposed to show that, though.
No, they target the compulsive news watcher and a conservative audience.
That holds 15% news market share at best, and about 2-3% overall. Popular does not equal majority, and the fact that they draw higher ratings than CNN doesn't necessarily mean people agree with the talking heads spin on issues. For example, I've watched occassionally, that doesn't mean I agree, it just means they're entertaining and have high production quality.
I find it arrogant that other people think they're so important that FOX news ought to censor their talking heads as to not offend these mightily important people like... Turks watching FOX...
Arrogance? I thought it was stupidity they were prevaying, but if people overseas make the mistake of confusing a talking head on a Fox morning show with middle America, which doesn't care one way or another about Chile enough to form such an arrogant opinion.
Arrogance? How about people who think they ought to be able to tell FOX news what it ought to air, when they have hundreads of other options that may be closer to their opinion. Its like some people just can't get over the fact that Fox news lets people on the air who dare give opinions contrary to their own, or that MAY make Turks think we're arrogant as part of the agenda to censor Fox news.
You know what would censor Fox news? People not watching it.
I prefer C-Span. Cable news is topical entertainment.
So you're advocating that Fox news ought to censor opinions that might be considered 'stupid' or 'offensive'.I'll kindly direct you to the first amendment. Not the one about freedom of speech, but also freedom of the press. They have a constitutional right to have stupid, offensive opinions just as everyone here does and uses liberally.
I think the idea of screening comments that SOME people think are stupid and offensive would be more detrimental to our information consumption than leaving them out there to be condemned. I imagine if Pat Robertson's stupid and offensive commments were screened, people might still take him seriously. How scary would that be?
Sultan Bhargash
Trickster Reincarnated
I don't know whether to issue a fatwa or to point out to you that uniting a peninsula full of diverse pagan religions under a monotheistic rule of law that was at the time progressive towards women and charitable towards other religions and then expanding it within 60 years to the far end of the meditteranean and deep into Persia in process beating back the Eastern Roman empire is indeed could easily be construed as cause for pride. I'll do the latter.
I don't quite understand the "democrat excited about Faux news" angle you're always pushing, but try not to mimic and replicate their idiocy in your otherwise sterling posts or I'll tell everyone who you campaign for.
Archer 007
Rebirth
This makes me think of an interesting question. If NPR is government sponsered, why do they not cover the Republican fluff pieces?
napoleon526
Emperor
I don't think that Greadius is 'excited' about FOX, but he merely believes that they should be able to say what they wish, which I can agree with. However, it does cause concern if people in other countries assume that all Americans are like O'Reilly and Hannity. It reiniforces an already negative view that Americans are self-centered and ignorant (which is partially true).Originally posted by Sultan Bhargash
I don't quite understand the "democrat excited about Faux news" angle you're always pushing, but try not to mimic and replicate their idiocy in your otherwise sterling posts or I'll tell everyone who you campaign for.
Sultan Bhargash
Trickster Reincarnated
@archer- Ooh, I wish you hadn't asked that.
NPR is objective. People say its liberal, but I challenge anyone to give me a quote that comes out of their mouths "as fact" that is biased. They still think, they still investigate, they still ask questions: that makes them 'liberal' I guess, because the conservative outlets like Faux certainly aren't doing any of those three things.
NPR is objective. People say its liberal, but I challenge anyone to give me a quote that comes out of their mouths "as fact" that is biased. They still think, they still investigate, they still ask questions: that makes them 'liberal' I guess, because the conservative outlets like Faux certainly aren't doing any of those three things.
Archer 007
Rebirth
Yep. It does reflect negativly on the country.
Greadius
:yeah:
Because Republicans keep cutting their funding.
They were progressive... towards Muslim women. Others were kept in a harem while they conquered, I mean 'united' those territories.
I don't expect stupid Muslims to say good things about Christians or Jews anymore than I expect Christian idiots to say good things about Muslims. 'tis the nature of that crazy thing called religion, which I don't support in any manner. Only the thought police want us to believe Muslim = good, because they're afraid we might start acting like savages if we aren't reminded every 20 minutes.
However, I stand as a proud defender of the market place of ideas of which Fox is a very vocal participant. I think shooting the messager because you don't like the message is intellectually lazy, and the number of angles taking to do this (Turks think we're arrogant; ban Fox!) is laughable. It almost makes me think some people are afraid that if too many people watch Fox they might find opinions they agree with more than if they watched their pet networks. Competition for ideas and audience? Perish the thought. Nationalize and steralize! One news outlet works fine for these people http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm
Yeah, and they did all that through WAR and SLAVERY!
They were progressive... towards Muslim women. Others were kept in a harem while they conquered, I mean 'united' those territories.
I don't expect stupid Muslims to say good things about Christians or Jews anymore than I expect Christian idiots to say good things about Muslims. 'tis the nature of that crazy thing called religion, which I don't support in any manner. Only the thought police want us to believe Muslim = good, because they're afraid we might start acting like savages if we aren't reminded every 20 minutes.
Excited? More like mildly amused. I worship at the alter of http://www.c-span.org/. I find everything Fox does except the talking head shows extremely annoying.
However, I stand as a proud defender of the market place of ideas of which Fox is a very vocal participant. I think shooting the messager because you don't like the message is intellectually lazy, and the number of angles taking to do this (Turks think we're arrogant; ban Fox!) is laughable. It almost makes me think some people are afraid that if too many people watch Fox they might find opinions they agree with more than if they watched their pet networks. Competition for ideas and audience? Perish the thought. Nationalize and steralize! One news outlet works fine for these people http://www.kcna.co.jp/index-e.htm
Archer 007
Rebirth
I agree with you Sultan. I was wanting to see rmsharpe 's response more then anything.
napoleon526
Emperor
Looking at it from the other side, I don't think i'd want foreign audiences to see and equally wacko left-winger on the news, even though some might be more open to him/her.
Greadius
:yeah:
America cover up its weakness and dirty underbelly? That is unAmerican! All sides must come forth and voice their opinion as loudly as possible!
And more objectivity garbage? I'd give you the laundry list on NPR but haven't listened in a few years. I've since moved to other territory to get my infuriating news of the day in the name of MSNBC's Joe Scarborough. I disagree with the guy on every issue I've heard him bring up, which is why I began compulsively watching the show. If I had a ratings box, people might think it was because I agreed with him. They might start airing his show in Thailand, and they might think we're arrogant!?!
And more objectivity garbage? I'd give you the laundry list on NPR but haven't listened in a few years. I've since moved to other territory to get my infuriating news of the day in the name of MSNBC's Joe Scarborough. I disagree with the guy on every issue I've heard him bring up, which is why I began compulsively watching the show. If I had a ratings box, people might think it was because I agreed with him. They might start airing his show in Thailand, and they might think we're arrogant!?!
napoleon526
Emperor
Good thoughts as always, Greadius. Perhaps the way to destroy Fox is to actually ENCOURAGE people to watch it and view the silliness for themselves. Unfortunately, my lack of faith in the human race tells me that the ill-informed mass that is most of America might start to agree with Fox.
Sultan Bhargash
Trickster Reincarnated
Then you should have included a reference to Jimmy Carter, Fidel Castro, or Nelson Mandela.
@Greadius- you hit it on the head. I want every human being within shouting distance to undestand that Faux is the devil and I can very easily prove it using Babylonian numerology adapted to the Roman alphabet... here you go:
A=1, B=2, C=3, D=4, E=5, F=6, G=7, H=8, I=9, J=10, K=20, L=30, M=40, N=50, O=60, P=70, Q=80, R=90, S=100, T=200, U=300, V=400, W=500, X=600, Y=700, Z=800.
As if watching an hour of the O'Reilly factor didn't provide proof enough...
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