A Mafia Game taking place in the East [Game Thread - Concluded]

[Sprig]

This is what i got.

Not sure if spaceman's actions are quite right. I have too many Pm's to toil through them all.

I'll post my Interpretation of this when time allows.

 

[BSmith1068]

I was under the impression that JK scanned me N2. Something is fishy here. Caelian

 

[Sprig]

I haven't really included his stuff since he was Korean. Yakuza are probably eliminated.

I have gaps where players are dead and haven't passed on their results or I haven't been able to collate them yet. It simple isn't going to happen in the immediate future cause of time restraints on my end.

 

[spaceman98]

That's a lot of redacted, and much of it is understandable, but why redact jht? I still don't trust him/her and given his previous vanilla claim and low participation, I don't see why anyone should.

As I understand, for Night 10 Calein has claimed in thread to do a Yakuza scan of JHT and find JHT not Yakuza (interesting contradiction between JoannahK's claim to have gotten a PM that Yakuza are dead and Calein's claim to still be scanning)

re Murska N4: I'm not honestly sure if that block succeeded. If it did fail, it didn't fail for the usual reasons (I wasn't blocked, I don't think Murska was female)

Also, you list Murska as Vanilla, but IIRC he claimed some kind of role when we were lynching him

 

[Sprig]

Yeah I haven't really focused on the dead too much. There's a bit that could go in there. You're quite right about Murska but for all intensive purposes...

Caelien simply for the reason that he wasn't blocked when the two kill attempts happened.
(for some reason in my mind, I had him as being blocked for one of those days...)

 

[Riedquat]

I think you missed some minor things to be redacted

 

[TFT]

I still support a caelian lynch, though there is a lot of new information for me to reread the game with.

Legato also seems to have completely disappeared again. Just noting.

 

[BSmith1068]

My issue with the Caelian discrepancy is that JK told me flat out that he (JK) scanned me N2 so if Caelian is claiming that same scan to you in private someone is lying.

 

[JohannaK]

Go back and read what I said, please.

 

[Caelian]

Caelien simply for the reason that he wasn't blocked when the two kill attempts happened.

Meh, I'm repeat what I have said before: I had been blocked the previous two nights and there was no reason to think I wouldn't be blocked again. If I were part of a scum team, then having me perform the kills would be crazy. Really, it would be a nonsensically bad move. But if you insist: what about last night? No block on me, no kill attempt. If we assume I am performing the kills that doesn't make sense, if we don't assume I am performing all the kills then your reason for voting for me falls apart.

My issue with the Caelian discrepancy is that JK told me flat out that he (JK) scanned me N2 so if Caelian is claiming that same scan to you in private someone is lying.

How? Is it impossible for us both to have scanned you? It is impossible to have done so on the same night? Also, I gave those results in thread a while ago...

Go back and read what I said, please.

Aren't you dead?

 

[JohannaK]

Yes.

 

[Riedquat]

My issue with the Caelian discrepancy is that JK told me flat out that he (JK) scanned me N2 so if Caelian is claiming that same scan to you in private someone is lying.

Disregarding the fact JK could have lied about, because of his particular mission, I don't see why both actions couldn't happen in the same night. Please re-explain!

Yes.

Then return to you grave!

Vote: Caelian To remove the distraction!

 

[Legato Endless]

Why would scum block if they can kill? The kill is the scum's way of eliminating anyone of their choice (especially confirmed townies) and speeding up the endgame. A block just guards them against being watched/tracked/blocked which is pointless if their not killing anyone anyways (so there's nothing incriminating to see them doing). Mafia can't win the game just by roleblocking people unless the town massively screws up and gets very unlucky.

True, but slim odds of victory are preferable to none. If the mafia takes every shot, all we need to do is fill in Thr gaps. If they wait a bit for town to advance the game while still muddled with a lack of data, well, that's at least a nebulous possibility.

That said, I'm not sure if tyeres enough information to ignore Caelian's point. Something unconventional is going on.

@TFT- I'm still here, just busy and haven't had a chance for good read over. If you want me eliminated for piece of mind, I won't object considering Tye circumstances.

 

[Sprig]

My current theory has two Mafiya left and only one of Caelien or Spaceman could be one of them.

For the longest time i thought it was both Caelien & spaceman but that doesn't seem possible now. Well, it's that or the tracker/watcher who watched Snerk night two is fallible and got an incorrect result.

 

[Sprig]

To qualify that I had been making the following assumptions:

UZI (+Katana) is the Mafiya Kill.
Mafiya has four members.

- Night 1 - Samsnipe and another Mafiya member (Probably not snerk) attacked Verarde. Sam snipe dies because Verarde is hiding behind him. Only one attacker shows up because samsniped died (no katana)
-Night 2 - Two unknown Mafiya (not snerk & not spaceman) Attack Verarde again. Deflected to double A this time.
- Night 3 - Two unknown Mafiya (Not spaceman or JHT) Kill Choxorn.
- Night 4 - I don't believe there was no attack this night. (I think someone tanked a kill and didn't say anything about it.)

I'll add to this later - gotta run to work.

 

[Sprig]

So above is caelien is mafiya theory. Since it is possible that he is the one doing those earlier kills.

~~~

Other theory is spaceman is mafiya.
For this to be true, the assumptions above must be incorrect. So the case for spaceman is independent of the above.

So what do we know about spaceman?

-Spaceman can't be responsible for any of the kills or attacks. His actions have been consistently and independently verified.
- Is a foreigner! Ukrainian is pretty close to Russian...
- caught trying to block choxorn night 2 by watcher. ( Interesting choice of target)


There's not much to it, but if you're caught roleblocking a suspected power role, you are stuck roleblocking the rest of the game because people will notice if you don't don't.

 

[spaceman98]

Yes.

A ghost?! What dread horror is this? Be gone ye gaijin wraith and haunt the living no more!

So above is caelien is mafiya theory. Since it is possible that he is the one doing those earlier kills.

~~~

Other theory is spaceman is mafiya.
For this to be true, the assumptions above must be incorrect. So the case for spaceman is independent of the above.

So what do we know about spaceman?

-Spaceman can't be responsible for any of the kills or attacks. His actions have been consistently and independently verified.
- Is a foreigner! Ukrainian is pretty close to Russian...
I am offended! I am not one of the Russian invaders of my homeland!

- caught trying to block choxorn night 2 by watcher. ( Interesting choice of target)
I've explained my (incorrect as it turned out) suspicions re choxorn in thread at the time

There's not much to it, but if you're caught roleblocking a suspected power role, you are stuck roleblocking the rest of the game because people will notice if you don't don't.

I'm fine with either of the two options today (Calein and jht), both are good choices

 

[Riedquat]

To qualify that I had been making the following assumptions:

UZI (+Katana) is the Mafiya Kill.
Mafiya has four members.

- Night 1 - Samsnipe and another Mafiya member (Probably not snerk) attacked Verarde. Sam snipe dies because Verarde is hiding behind him. Only one attacker shows up because samsniped died (no katana)
-Night 2 - Two unknown Mafiya (not snerk & not spaceman) Attack Verarde again. Deflected to double A this time.
- Night 3 - Two unknown Mafiya (Not spaceman or JHT) Kill Choxorn.
- Night 4 - I don't believe there was no attack this night. (I think someone tanked a kill and didn't say anything about it.)

I'll add to this later - gotta run to work.

Night 4... perhaps there is a simpler explanation, the attacker couldn't send in orders for unspecified technical problems, the same problems that caused his lack of participation the following day

Day 5 official tally:

The person known as Murska was executed.
It turned out that Murska was a Townie.

Murska: BSmith1068; Caelian; JohannaK; Verarde; Sprig 二; spaceman98 (6)
Internet Flea: KingMorgan; Riedquat; Zack; remake20 (4)
spaceman98: Internet Flea; Murska (2)
Riedquat: TFT

Not voting: Snerk; johnhughthom; WinterLilium; Legato Endless (4)

Snerk participated ambiguously in the discussion as always but didn't vote, Legato did vote but not counted for unknown reasons:

Hmmm.

Murska I guess, although I'm half inclined to accept that super brief explanation, I feel vaguely better about this than IF.

That leaves us with townie WL and unconfirmed JHT...

Just a possibility... far fetched perhaps, I don't know...

 

[Sprig]

Night 4... perhaps there is a simpler explanation, the attacker couldn't send in orders for unspecified technical problems, the same problems that caused his lack of participation the following day

...Snip

That leaves us with townie WL and unconfirmed JHT...

Just a possibility... far fetched perhaps, I don't know...

Perhaps.

But if the Uzi + Katana is a signifier of a two person kill then we know JHT can't be one of those killers.

 

[Sprig]

@Spaceman - Invaders or liberators?