A New Name

[Wodhann]

You said MORE universal, you can't just say something is MORE without stating what it is MORE than.

English is an universal language in the modern sense. Latin is an "universal" language (at least to westerners) in the sense that it originated/influenced many of the languages we speak today and is an ancient language with a very big historical presence.

But all of that is kind of secondary, to be honest. Vox Populi is a term that exists, as written, and fits the bill. That's basically enough.

 

[AbsintheRed]

It might be a good point that Vox Populi is not that well-known in Europe.
I asked a couple friends, most of them are also PhD students or postdocs, and none of them knew the term before. I wasn't familiar with it either, even though I even spend a huge amount of time on historic gaming forums.
In spite of that I consider it a good choice.

EDIT: Thinking about it, maybe not in spite of that, but exactly because of that.
It would probably be worse if it was a worn-out term.

 

[ExpiredReign]

Since we seem to be having such a hard time naming this project what about:

CivV: Anonymous!

 

[Funak]

Since we seem to be having such a hard time naming this project what about:

CivV: Anonymous!

We could name it after the best and most beloved sequel in videogaming history:

CivV: Invisible War

^^

 

[tu_79]

You might be onto something, I know what the phrase means, but I've never actually heard anyone say it, ever. I mean I don't even think I know how it is pronounced come to think about it.
It might be a lot more obvious in the US and maybe Latin sounds a lot less pompous over there.


Actually scratch that, I'm pretty sure that V character in V for Vendetta mentions it somewhere in one of his speeches, so I probably know how it is pronounced.

And now it shall be known for a Civilization V mod.

 

[tu_79]

Seriously, what is the appeal of CP, CBP and CPP (names)? And yet, here we are.

 

[Gazebo]

Right now I'm looking at two changes:

CPP -> CPOP

and

CBP -> Vox Populi

Simple and easy changes. CPOP is descriptive of what the entire package can do, whereas Vox Populi captures what the CBP is currently all about, that is community balancing and feature additions.

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[Funak]

Right now I'm looking at two changes:

CPP -> CPOP

and

CBP -> Vox Populi

Simple and easy changes. CPOP is descriptive of what the entire package can do, whereas Vox Populi captures what the CBP is currently all about, that is community balancing and feature additions.

You do what you want, but it is a terrible idea from a marketing perspective.

 

[Wodhann]

Right now I'm looking at two changes:

CPP -> CPOP

and

CBP -> Vox Populi

Simple and easy changes. CPOP is descriptive of what the entire package can do, whereas Vox Populi captures what the CBP is currently all about, that is community balancing and feature additions.

G

The CBP is already the entire package, though. You're basically giving it two different names, which is confusing.

 

[Gazebo]

The CBP is already the entire package, though. You're basically giving it two different names, which is confusing.

CPP is the whole package, man. CBP is just the overhaul mod portion. CPP includes C4DF, CSD, More Luxuries, etc. That's why it needs to be more clearly distinguished.

You do what you want, but it is a terrible idea from a marketing perspective.

I've yet to hear a solid reason beyond 'it is pompous.' Vox Populi isn't self-aggrandizing (i.e. Civ 5: 1337 SCRUBWRECKER EDITION), it isn't easily mixed up with the CP or the overall name of the project, and it isn't misleading (the CBP is a community-driven expansion. Vox Populi is 'the voice of the people.' How does that not make sense?). I can't help that your education system failed to instill a little bit of Latin in you.

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[AbsintheRed]

Oh, I thought you guys gonna call the whole package Vox Populi.
Then again, I'm a bit conservative in modding questions, I prefer the Civ IV style "full-mod" approach in some cases.
For me having a separate CPP and CBP is redundant, and IMO it's probably confusing to new players.
CP is already there as a base for other modders, but otherwise CBP+C4F4+CSD+ML+etc is the full experience, which I would like to advise to all the players together in a single mod if I were you.

 

[Funak]

I've yet to hear a solid reason beyond 'it is pompous.' Vox Populi isn't self-aggrandizing (i.e. Civ 5: 1337 SCRUBWRECKER EDITION), it isn't easily mixed up with the CP or the overall name of the project, and it isn't misleading (the CBP is a community-driven expansion.

I've already given you like 10 different reasons why a Latin name is a bad idea, while your best reason for it have been "it fits", which is a terrible reason considering on some level every suggestions in this thread fits.

Vox Populi is 'the voice of the people.' How does that not make sense?). I can't help that your education system failed to instill a little bit of Latin in you.

I know exactly what it means, but considering multiple people in the thread have never heard of it, and I've never actually heard it used in a sentence ever, it probably isn't as well known outside of Murica or possibly the UK, which fits very well with the whole 'Pompous' thing, come to think about it.

Also I find it hilarious to hear someone from the US bashing outside education-systems, especially for not teaching us a dead useless language.

Oh, I thought you guys gonna call the whole package Vox Populi.
Then again, I'm a bit conservative in modding questions, I prefer the Civ IV style "full-mod" approach in some cases.
For me having a separate CPP and CBP is redundant, and IMO it's probably confusing to new players.
CP is already there as a base for other modders, but otherwise CBP+C4F4+CSD+ML+etc is the full experience, which I would like to advise to all the players together in a single mod if I were you.

Also finding this pretty strange, if anything it would be CPP(the project) that should get a name-change, the different parts of the mod really doesn't need fancy names, just something along the line of "Base Patch"(for CP) and "Overhaul patch"(for CBP)

 

[Gazebo]

Oh, I thought you guys gonna call the whole package Vox Populi.
Then again, I'm a bit conservative in modding questions, I prefer the Civ IV style "full-mod" approach in some cases.
For me having a separate CPP and CBP is redundant, and IMO it's probably confusing to new players.
CP is already there as a base for other modders, but otherwise CBP+C4F4+CSD+ML+etc is the full experience, which I would like to advise to all the players together in a single mod if I were you.

The problem is that, from the outside looking in, the CBP is mis-named (and I agree with this). While it does rebalance the game, the implication of a 'balance patch' is that it is a light-touch, which the CBP most certainly is not.


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[Gazebo]

I know exactly what it means, but considering multiple people in the thread have never heard of it, and I've never actually heard it used in a sentence ever, it probably isn't as well known outside of Murica or possibly the UK, which fits very well with the whole 'Pompous' thing, come to think about it.

Also I find it hilarious to hear someone from the US bashing outside education-systems, especially for not teaching a us a dead useless language.

Nothing intrinsically pompous about being from the UK or US, unless you've got imperial guilt hanging over you.

Don't forget that I'm a historian by day, Funak. Claiming something is 'dead' and/or 'useless' due to its age is a hilariously ignorant statement, especially if directed at me.

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[Wodhann]

CPP is the whole package, man. CBP is just the overhaul mod portion. CPP includes C4DF, CSD, More Luxuries, etc. That's why it needs to be more clearly distinguished.

I think we should call the whole package Vox Populi. It's easier, especially when it comes down to wrapping up the multiplayer package.

So it would be like:

• Vox Populi

• Community Patch
• Community Overhaul
• Integrated Add-Ons

 

[Funak]

• Vox Populi

• Community Patch
• Community Overhaul
• Integrated Add-Ons

They are both patches, technically, better to call one of them Base and one of the Overhaul, as you're going to need the Base no matter what.

I still don't like the 'Community' in the names and would prefer 'Base Patch' and 'Overhaul Patch' but if it has to stay, at least do something like this:

Community Base
Community Overhaul

 

[Enrico Swagolo]

I think we should call the whole package Vox Populi. It's easier, especially when it comes down to wrapping up the multiplayer package.

So it would be like:

• Vox Populi

• Community Patch
• Community Overhaul
• Integrated Add-Ons

I agree, the whole package should be called that to make it clear what is what. Installing "Vox Populi" balance patch of CPP may be misleading as to what it does which won't be an issue if everyone knows Vox Populi is the name of the entire modpack, whereas the others (community patch, overhaul, csd whatever) are variants.

 

[Gazebo]

I think we should call the whole package Vox Populi. It's easier, especially when it comes down to wrapping up the multiplayer package.

So it would be like:

• Vox Populi

• Community Patch
• Community Overhaul
• Integrated Add-Ons

Maaaaaybe. I'll think about it. I don't hate it, but it is ever-so-slightly obscure as a name for the overall project, especially since 'Community Patch' is a byword for the CPP right now. I blame myself for all of this – I honestly didn't think that the project would get as much traction as it currently has.

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[shaglio]

• Vox Populi
  1. Community Patch
  2. Enhancement Pack

 

[merill]

• Vox Populi
  1. Community Patch
  2. Maximus Melius