A question to Communists:

[LightFang]

Oh yeah the glory of their economy...

Look, look, employment was higher! Never mind that it has a higher population, the nominal rate of employment is higher! USSR WINS!

 

[Godwynn]

Look, look, employment was higher! Never mind that it has a higher population, the nominal rate of employment is higher! USSR WINS!

At the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant they had an excess of engineers, so many that a large number of them sat around playing cards all night.

 

[LightFang]

At the Chernobyl Nuclear Plant they had an excess of engineers, so many that a large number of them sat around playing cards all night.

But they all had JOBS, which is the important part in CivGeneral's mind! They were all being PAID more than what they were worth (nothing).

 

[GenMarshall]

CG, you are one of those people who believe in a nanny state, i.e. that you can do no wrong and obviously the big bad businessmen have exploited you. Obviously the state should provide you with a job with money that you "deserve" (what does this entail, a six-digit salary and free housing and you only have to work Wednesday for six hours?)

Incorrect, I dont wish to see a nanny state and I dont want to work one day a week. Why do you think I desire a full time job working 40 hours a week insted of various days on a Permtemp scedual

You didn't have to take this vaguely defined "test". The employer doesn't have to let you do that, you know.

And have me wait another six months to take the test again, eventhough I already payed for the fees for the test.

In either case you've flipflopped so many times in the past, and your position on economics has changed as well.

Flip-Flop and Flip-flopping is SOOOOOOOOO 2004 . And no, I don't flip-flop.

You used to be a rabid socialist/communist until you got that casino job or whatever. Then you proudly proclaimed to me, "Lighty, I love capitalism now!" That is until now. Now you're back to being socialist again. I don't understand how your core principles can change so much depending on your position. It's like, you expect the state to provide for you until you get what you want, then you want the state to stop doing it so you can get what you want.

I dont have a core principles on economics, it mainly changes depending on my possition, That and I dont understand what Capitalism is.

 

[REDY]

I think that comparing USSR and USA is completely out. At least without comparing situation in 1918.

The best compare is between Czechoslovakia and Austria.

 

[cubsfan6506]

Cg what makes you think you're so damn useful.

 

[Chieftess]

I am at the mercy of my employer.

No you aren't. There's two simple words - "I quit.". Temporary positions mean just that - temporary. Try getting a government job doing clerical work (which sounds like what you do now). Those are full time, and have benefits.

If I cannot provide that service, I should not be terminated from the position.

Did you stay at a Holiday Express Inn last night? (commercial joke)

Workers should be protected from unjust terminations.

Hypothetical sitution -

I run a software company that creates software (not really - this is hypothetical). I get this kid that's really, really eager and wants to be a programmer. There's a 6 month grace period where he learns. He just doesn't "get it" (his code is buggy, he doesn't have the patience, etc.). This software is given to hospitals, so patients lives are dependant on it. Do I keep this employee, even though his buggy code might cost the life of a patient?

Should an airline hire a dog groomer to fly their plane without any flying experience? Should a hair salon hire a street cleaner to cut someone's hair?

Ok, how about this? Let's say you hire someone to clean your house. Instead, they sit on your sofa, and eat pizza all day. Are you still going to pay them?

Yes. Unemployment is not a good thing for anyone.

Including the guy 1 year ago that you said (in the chatroom - I have logs!) if you were the employer, you would fire because he was the wrong religion?

And have me wait another six months to take the test again, eventhough I already payed for the fees for the test.

Work comes before just up and leaving for your black belt test. If it was that important, you could have asked to trade shifts with someone, or asked for permission to leave for a few hours. A black belt test can wait. Work can't, especially when you need money to survive. A blackbelt won't do that for you. (Except, of course, if you become a karate instructor)

 

[Phlegmak]

CivGeneral, what the hell are you doing living in this capitalist hell hole still? Why don't you move to one of your workers' paradises?

 

[Elrohir]

Look, look, employment was higher! Never mind that it has a higher population, the nominal rate of employment is higher! USSR WINS!

And GDP per capita was lower!

More work for less pay! Hooray! Communism in action!

 

[holy king]

But they all had JOBS, which is the important part in CivGeneral's mind! They were all being PAID more than what they were worth (nothing).

this discussion is on a very low level anyways (people taking the ecomic data of 1990 ussr to determine wether communism is good or bad really shows a high level of sophistication to the topic ), but please explain why people in the ussr were worth nothing...

 

[Chieftess]

Look, look, employment was higher! Never mind that it has a higher population, the nominal rate of employment is higher! USSR WINS!

Of course, ratio-wise, it's a dead heat. (same employment rate for each - with the US having .01% less - by about 10,000 or so).

 

[BasketCase]

If I cannot provide that service, I should not be terminated from the position. Workers should be protected from unjust terminations.

I think this snippet right here demonstrates the problem very clearly.

Should a doctor be allowed to operate on people if he is no good at surgery?

When you take your car to the shop for repairs, are you going to knowingly hand your car over to an incompetent mechanic? NO. You're going to look for a mechanic who CAN provide the service, and you're going to avoid mechanics who cannot do the work at all costs.

And, CivGeneral (brace yourself, this one's really gonna hurt), what is your opinion of George Bush? I know this because you've posted it in CFC many times. You say George Bush FAILED AT HIS JOB.


The problem is that some people (or a lot of them) have unreasonable expectations coming out the starting gate.

Random side note: I am currently working a no-skills job at a below average salary. Yet here I am speaking out AGAINST Communism and FOR capitalism. I figured you'd all find that kind of ironic.

 

[Ondskan]

My family and friends testify of a better life in Yugoslavia than here in Sweden.

And Sweden on the other hand tops the U.N. charter, tops the GDP (nominal) per capita. Tops all bloody lists in the world. It's considered by many to be one of the best nations to live in. So when our communist country was better one can simply say that communism is better than Social Democracy. And this was some 20 years ago.

About the U.S.
I'd rather live in Venezuela or Cuba than there.
You have achived nothing if so many of your people are below the poverty line. A nations prosperity can only be judged by those who have it the worse, not those who have it the best.

 

[amadeus]

Why? Just because I rejected Capitalism?

No, because you think North Korea and Cuba are successful economies.

 

[amadeus]

My family and friends testify of a better life in Yugoslavia than here in Sweden.

Is your last name Tito?

 

[Ondskan]

No.

Here's my familys story:

On the one side I have my one grandmother: A house wife living in a house above the city Sarajevo. Her husband a truck driver.

My dad an inventor.

My mom a journalist.

On the other side (moms side) my grandmother worked for the special police. Similar to the FBI.

Her husband I forgot what he was. He died before I could meet him.
One of her brothers was a writter and professor before he killed himself when after the end of the balkan wars because he couldn't stop thinking on the good times in Yugoslavia.


A lil bit of everything

 

[BasketCase]

About the U.S.
I'd rather live in Venezuela or Cuba than there.
You have achived nothing if so many of your people are below the poverty line. A nations prosperity can only be judged by those who have it the worse, not those who have it the best.

By this standard, the U.S. remains a far more prosperous place than many nations--in which the poor are not merely penniless and homeless, but also suffer from the following:

--Poorer quality of public spaces to rest and sleep in
--Lower rate of charities, including free medical care and donations
--More severe pollution
--Higher rate of hunger-related maladies
--Higher rate of diseases
--Higher rate of DEATH
--Greater probability of getting shot or blown up by nearby violence or warfare

Those who have it the worst in the U.S. are still far better off than in most other parts of the world.

 

[GenMarshall]

No you aren't. There's two simple words - "I quit.". Temporary positions mean just that - temporary. Try getting a government job doing clerical work (which sounds like what you do now). Those are full time, and have benefits.

Permatemps are different than temps. They are between temporary workers and part time workers.

I run a software company that creates software (not really - this is hypothetical). I get this kid that's really, really eager and wants to be a programmer. There's a 6 month grace period where he learns. He just doesn't "get it" (his code is buggy, he doesn't have the patience, etc.). This software is given to hospitals, so patients lives are dependant on it. Do I keep this employee, even though his buggy code might cost the life of a patient?

No

Should an airline hire a dog groomer to fly their plane without any flying experience? Should a hair salon hire a street cleaner to cut someone's hair?

No

Ok, how about this? Let's say you hire someone to clean your house. Instead, they sit on your sofa, and eat pizza all day. Are you still going to pay them?

No

Including the guy 1 year ago that you said (in the chatroom - I have logs!) if you were the employer, you would fire because he was the wrong religion?

No! I would not fire the employee if he was in the wrong religion.

 

[GenMarshall]

No, because you think North Korea and Cuba are successful economies.

I retract that statement that they are successful economies.

 

[Ondskan]

Read Cuba and Venezuela. No I wouldn't ever want to live in North korea, Iran, middle africa, Afghanistan, nor those cannibal islands south of Myanmar. Nor Myanmar itself.


Now there's nothing to be proud of in being better than those.
You are one of the richest nations in the world - SHAPE UP godamnit! Don't compare yourself with hellholes dominated by dictators, starvation, lack of resources or sanctions.