bernie14
Filter Manipulator
havent read the entire thread, but doesnt this place sound a lot like pyongyang?
A.) How do you prove intent?
B.) How can you say that abstinence education is designed to fail? What on earth could possibly a more effective method of birth control than abstinence? Do you seriously think there are people sitting behind a desk saying, "We're going to promote this so it fails." Why would people who are passionate about their beliefs want their beliefs to be proven wrong?
C.) You are attributing this to the OP. While I think it is a shortsighted plan, I do not think her intent is for her idea to fail. Don't you think this is a strong charge? I read her posts pretty thoroughly and I don't think there is any merit in your charge.
D.) If this plan designed to fail by design, and if the EPA and OSHA were reformed, then doesn't that mean that this plan could be adjusted as well?
E.) I don't get how you can say that the EPA and OSHA were designed to fail when they generally turned out to be upstanding government programs.
A.) Inferred from actions? The type of inferences you speak of are subjective and rife with partisanship. Saying that results don't align with what you expect on a personal level does not prove sabotage.
B.) I dunno, while I have problems with Muslim society, they pretty much have the whole premarital sex problem on lock down. Seems to work fine in Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
C.) Who are you addressing though? And I think ignorance is a strong word. It would appear to me that she put a substantial time covering her bases there, and has kept it pretty open ended.
D.) You concede the point, okay. But let me pose another question. I am against comprehensive sex ed, so if I was a politician, why would I start a fledgling, poorly planned program, that I specifically wanted to fail if there was even a chance that someone else would come along and build upon it so that it might work? That would be crazy, and political suicide. This isn't how politics works.
E.) You do understand that a LOT of government programs start out this way?
A.) How can you say this when you haven't read her post?
B.) No we're not. We don't have to be Muslim in order to abstain. We just have to abstain. We don't have to give up any freedom either.
C.) How can you call something "ignorant," and accuse that she wants her plan to fail without reading her post?
D.) Exactly. Why do it all?
E.) Our government has spent decades doing this. FDR spent 12 years putting together poorly planned economic plans, plans that were self defeating and punitive, programs that didn't work, that were underfunded, that didn't reach far enough. Many of his plans are figments of memories, so no, OSHA and the EPA are not remarkably different.