A Solution for the Disadvantaged
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Terxpahseyton
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Nobody reacted to my pun 
Quackers
The Frog
I was gonna write:
"LOL @ Sill saying that with a Big German eagle next to him"
but i decided against it
"LOL @ Sill saying that with a Big German eagle next to him"
but i decided against it
So you want a more intrusive government?
amadeus
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It's retaliatory intrusiveness for taking my money.
RedRalph
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So you don't mind if the government is intrusive as long as it is on behalf of people who pay lots of tax, yeah?
Archbob
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If the government wants to use my tax dollars, then I should have a say in what they use it for.
Well, for one thing, they will take many more of your tax dollars in order to do that. And in the second place, having a government policy designed to fail to accomplish the nominal reason for its existence is just plain dumb.
amadeus
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It certainly makes government intervention a lot less palatable, no?
BuckeyeJim
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Where do you get off saying that someones government policy is designed fail. That would seem to imply malice towards the OP.
I dunno, Amadeus. Having a decent public transport system, well-funded NHS, fair applications of laws, properly-regulated banking system - those certainly make "government intrusion" more palatable.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
They already do, and you have no say over what they use them on aside from voting for somebody who supports a budget that's more to your liking.. Why should this change?
jtb1127
Deity
If they are not forced into it then no one will ever participate. "Sure I'll let you strip me of my freedom!"
Many policies are designed to fail. It's pretty damned common in American politics. Attaching a lot of conditions to welfare means that welfare will be much less effective in getting people out of dependency. Or keeping them alive and housed if they can't get out of dependency. Nixon tried to design OSHA and EPA to fail. They succeeded despite the program design. Insisting that sex education only talk about abstinence is a design to fail to prevent pregnancy, STDs, and sex in general.
BuckeyeJim
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A.) How do you prove intent?
B.) How can you say that abstinence education is designed to fail? What on earth could possibly a more effective method of birth control than abstinence? Do you seriously think there are people sitting behind a desk saying, "We're going to promote this so it fails." Why would people who are passionate about their beliefs want their beliefs to be proven wrong?
C.) You are attributing this to the OP. While I think it is a shortsighted plan, I do not think her intent is for her idea to fail. Don't you think this is a strong charge? I read her posts pretty thoroughly and I don't think there is any merit in your charge.
D.) If this plan designed to fail by design, and if the EPA and OSHA were reformed, then doesn't that mean that this plan could be adjusted as well?
E.) I don't get how you can say that the EPA and OSHA were designed to fail when they generally turned out to be upstanding government programs.
LucyDuke
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Sex ed is bad! Sex ed is bad! Bad bad bad! Okay FINE we'll have sex ed. Abstinence-only sex ed! Ahhh crap it doesn't work! Sex ed is bad!
You don't like an idea, so pretend to go along with it but design the actual implementation to fail. Then claim you were right all along. It's not a difficult concept.
Sex ed is bad! Sex ed is bad! Bad bad bad! Okay FINE we'll have sex ed. Abstinence-only sex ed! Ahhh crap it doesn't work! Sex ed is bad!
You don't like an idea, so pretend to go along with it but design the actual implementation to fail. Then claim you were right all along. It's not a difficult concept.
BuckeyeJim
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I don't know a single solitary person who forwards abstinence only education that feels this way. There are people who are against all sex ed, and that is what they believe. I believe in abstinence only education, and that is what I believe. I believe that if applied properly, with force, with consistency, that it will produce results. People feel real passionately about this. Nobody is sitting behind a desk hoping something fails so they can implement a different agenda. The only people who will complain about abstinence only education failing are the people who are totally against sex-ed to begin with.
Mathilda
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To OP- If you can work out how to keep drugs out of a whole city- walled or not, I believe there are a quite a few prisons that would be happy to hear about it.
LucyDuke
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Sex ed was the example given. I think the concept is pretty clear.
Sex ed was the example given. I think the concept is pretty clear.
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