silver 2039
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Gelion said:
Then who do the Whites recognize as the true government of Turkey in that case? The deposed Sultan and his imperial rule?
If so that is intreasting....it reavels much about you....
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Then who do the Whites recognize as the true government of Turkey in that case? The deposed Sultan and his imperial rule?
If so that is intreasting....it reavels much about you....
Gelion
Retired Captain
OOC: Did it? You knew of that before.... (the tsunami). lets just say my geopolitical goals at that moment (fighting CC and Storm and you along with them) corresponded with my desire to show that I dont want to be laughed at.... by anyone for paying tribute to Russia....or was it Toteone? I any case it was a necessary thing to do and the most horrible thing I've done in a NES. I still have nighmares about itsilver 2039 said:
In any case it is a thing to the past.....IC: Russia does not recognise any present Turkish government especially the one that recongnises Soviet Russia....
silver 2039
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I remeber that. That was kinda...pathethic to say the least....meh I guess I was no better myself after all I more or less did the same thing by joining the CC and paying the eco...well at least I got technology and protection out of it.
Gelion
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silver 2039 said:I remeber that. That was kinda...pathethic to say the least....meh I guess I was no better myself after all I more or less did the same thing by joining the CC and paying the eco...well at least I got technology and protection out of it.
I considered that, but then I thought I better go down fighting. And it didn't 
Anyways no grudges, its just a game
and I publically apologise for doing it and hurting so many people.....
silver 2039
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Gelion said:
Anyways no grudges, its just a game
and I publically apologise for doing it and hurting so many people.....
Of course no grudges. That still does'nt change my recognication of the Soviets BTW
Also can you come online? I need to ask you something.
Gelion
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I need to do something. I'll be online in 10-20 mins....
silver 2039
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@Kalthzar can you change my government form in the stats to a Repebulic and change my leader to Prime Minister Mustafa Kemal Ataurak?
Dreadnought
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To Greece
From Sweden
Ultimatum - withdraw from IZMIR within two turns or we will be forced to send a naval force to Turkey to train troops and...keep the peace.
To Turkey
from Sweden
Request for troop training granted.
From Sweden
Ultimatum - withdraw from IZMIR within two turns or we will be forced to send a naval force to Turkey to train troops and...keep the peace.
To Turkey
from Sweden
Request for troop training granted.
Dreadnought
Deity
Swedish Orders (revised)
Increase naval force.
Send help to Turkey to train troops.
Send force of 10 destroyers and 10 cruisers to Istanbul.
Increase Production/economy
Start production of planes and artillery.
Await Greek response.
Increase naval force.
Send help to Turkey to train troops.
Send force of 10 destroyers and 10 cruisers to Istanbul.
Increase Production/economy
Start production of planes and artillery.
Await Greek response.
Grandmaster
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Following the elections of 1919 and a shift in the allignment of the major party coalitions in Parliament, a coalition of moderate progressive liberals, moderate-left Reformist Socialists, Christian Democrats, and moderate-right Republicans formed a new government under the leadership of veteran Prime Minister Giovanni Giolitti. An interesting side note is that this coalition formed in direct opposition to the radical Socialist Party, taking control of the government despite the Socialists great gains in Parliament. The success of the so-called National Liberal Coalition can be attributed in part to the formation of the increasingly strong and rapidly growing League for Revolutionary Action, a militant, interventionist political group which had splintered from the Socialist Party -- thereby weakening the Socialists and providing an independent media which supported the National Liberals.
Leading Members of the Government of Italy, 1920:
Prime Minister: Giovanni Giolitti (Liberal)
Minister of War & Foreign Affairs: Ivanoe Bonomi (Social Reform)
Minister of Finance: Luigi Facta (Liberal)
Minister of Internal Affairs: Luigi Sturzo (People's Party; Christian Democrat)
Leading Members of the Government of Italy, 1920:
Prime Minister: Giovanni Giolitti (Liberal)
Minister of War & Foreign Affairs: Ivanoe Bonomi (Social Reform)
Minister of Finance: Luigi Facta (Liberal)
Minister of Internal Affairs: Luigi Sturzo (People's Party; Christian Democrat)
das
Regeneration In Process
OOC: Actually, ignore my previous retorts. I have a new version now.
IC:
I agree wholeheartedly. The aristocrats and the bourgoise have been stealing from the people all too long. And we stole Russia from those thieves - to at last give it to the people.
It would seem that you are implying that our coup d'etat is somehow illegal. Aside from the fact that the Russian people have the right to self-determination (something you don't seem to recognize) and are thus far, in majority, on our side... What makes the Whites any better? In fact, is ANY government in the world legitimate from this viewpoint? Please try and show me a government that you believe to be legitimate, and we will prove to you, that it "stole" the country it rules over.
Why not as well exclaim "Anarchy is the mother of order", then, citizen Kolchak? We will not do so, because we believe that what makes a government legitimate is not how it gained power (because the basic remains the same), but rather, whether or not it is supported by the people. The Turkish government is a legitimate one; the Soviet governments are legitimate; the Polish government is legitimate; the American government is legitimate. But yours isn't.
IC:
I agree wholeheartedly. The aristocrats and the bourgoise have been stealing from the people all too long. And we stole Russia from those thieves - to at last give it to the people.
It would seem that you are implying that our coup d'etat is somehow illegal. Aside from the fact that the Russian people have the right to self-determination (something you don't seem to recognize) and are thus far, in majority, on our side... What makes the Whites any better? In fact, is ANY government in the world legitimate from this viewpoint? Please try and show me a government that you believe to be legitimate, and we will prove to you, that it "stole" the country it rules over.
Why not as well exclaim "Anarchy is the mother of order", then, citizen Kolchak? We will not do so, because we believe that what makes a government legitimate is not how it gained power (because the basic remains the same), but rather, whether or not it is supported by the people. The Turkish government is a legitimate one; the Soviet governments are legitimate; the Polish government is legitimate; the American government is legitimate. But yours isn't.
das
Regeneration In Process
When should I send orders exactly? Today?
tommy_toon
Emperor
Considering I sent my orders in, I say update now 
Argh! Orders soon...sorry...
To: Sweden
From: Greece
What, you don't even want a referendum? Evidently Smyrna's fate has been previously decided by your government. We flatly refuse to withdraw under these circumstances, and tell you to go **** yourselves.
To: Sweden
From: Greece
What, you don't even want a referendum? Evidently Smyrna's fate has been previously decided by your government. We flatly refuse to withdraw under these circumstances, and tell you to go **** yourselves.
silver 2039
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To Greece
From Turkey
And you evidently refuse to accept resposobility for the damages you caused as well.
Turkey urges all respestable nations of the world to place an embargo on Greece. Greece has consistently been a hostile agressive nataion to the Turkish Repebulic ever since it was created a year ago and it has actively tried to destabalize us using espionage.
From Turkey
And you evidently refuse to accept resposobility for the damages you caused as well.
Turkey urges all respestable nations of the world to place an embargo on Greece. Greece has consistently been a hostile agressive nataion to the Turkish Repebulic ever since it was created a year ago and it has actively tried to destabalize us using espionage.
silver 2039
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@General People how do multiplies for stat growth work? I need to claculate what i can buy with each eco point with 50 Industry.
To: Turkey
From: Greece
What damages? You discovered a spy network not run by the Greek government, and you order us to pay you a fourth of our national economy in addition to punishing the criminals who perpetrated this, in addition to placing an embargo upon us? If you want respectable nations to do something, then be one yourself! It is a sad world indeed where the principles of international relations are squashed in order to give some upstart Anatolian tyrant's governing council a confidence boost. Strong-arm tactics are not how nations work in the modern world. Did we not just emerge from the most devastating Great War in the history of mankind? Now, the losers of that conflict demand something that was taken from them for a good reason: to curtail any imperialist activities. Can no one see what they are trying to do? Has the whole world gone mad?
From: Greece
What damages? You discovered a spy network not run by the Greek government, and you order us to pay you a fourth of our national economy in addition to punishing the criminals who perpetrated this, in addition to placing an embargo upon us? If you want respectable nations to do something, then be one yourself! It is a sad world indeed where the principles of international relations are squashed in order to give some upstart Anatolian tyrant's governing council a confidence boost. Strong-arm tactics are not how nations work in the modern world. Did we not just emerge from the most devastating Great War in the history of mankind? Now, the losers of that conflict demand something that was taken from them for a good reason: to curtail any imperialist activities. Can no one see what they are trying to do? Has the whole world gone mad?
