Moderator Action: This thread is posted as is, with one minor edit removing a link to the non-public infraction page. - ori
Agent327 is asking for a review of the infraction regarding this post.
The conversation as forwarded by Agent327 is below:
Agent327 is asking for a review of the infraction regarding this post.
The conversation as forwarded by Agent327 is below:
Agent327,
- Your actions in this message (Feminism: An evil ideology?) are not appropriate:
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1. 8-year old white boy is anti-male
2. 8-year old white boy is anti-sex
3. 8-year old white boy is whiny
We need better 8-year old parenting
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We cannot allow users to be abusive, overly aggressive, threatening, or to "troll".
Specifically, this post is unacceptable as RD replies are required to present an actual argument. Rewriting quotes from other members is not permitted. Portraying the poster as an "8 year old white boy" is equally unacceptable.
For this post, you have been issued a two point warning.
- Vincour
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Vincour, Friday at 6:11 AMReport
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I see, once again, that even for moderators reading is difficult.
Kindly point out where I compare the OT poster to an '8 year old white boy'.
Awaiting your reply eagerly,
Agent327.
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I feel your quotation fulfills that request suitably.
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Vincour, Friday at 6:16 AMReport
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Your feelings should be irrelevant. You also 'feel' an intent to insult?
Still awaiting a proper reply.
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The three separate reasons for your infraction were provided for your perusal in the original message of this conversation.
You're welcome to disagree with those reasons and present your argument towards that end. If it's compelling, your infraction may be reduced or rescinded.
You are not welcome to insult me and demand that I justify the infraction to you when the reasons have already been provided.
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Vincour, Friday at 6:21 AMReport
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I did neither insult you nor the OT poster. I urge you to read again.
And I'll give you a second example to help:
1. racism is anti-male
2. racism is anti-sex
3. racism is whiny.
I merely replaced feminism with another term, showing how silly the ' argument' here is. Such a thread title shouldn't even be allowed the pre-fix RD.
Still awaiting a proper reply,
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I took your advice and read your message again. I stand firm on the belief that telling me I find reading difficult is an insult.
Infraction stands.
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Vincour, Friday at 6:43 AMReport
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I doubt you took my serious advice to heart. And to mention that reading is difficult is not an insult, it's a sad fact.
Here are my objections:
1. You presume an intent to insult
2. You presume my action insults anybody.
I have no intent to insult. That someone feels insulted by anything I write, doesn't prove such an intent on my part. It only proves that someone feels insulted. Since you show no intent of taking my objections seriously (you've escalated from 'I insulted a fellow poster' to 'I insulted a moderator'), you may consider my objection formal and forward it to the appropriate person.
Cheers,
Agent327.
P.S. Since Valka d' Ur already showed the bias of the OT poster's 'arguments', I did not feel I needed to add to that. Frankly, I find such threads insulting. To intelligence. Not to me personally, obviously, but more like an insult in that the author shows a lack thereof. So, in short, he only insults himself. I can understand, however, how someone (say, an actual female) might take it personal.
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Here are the facts.
1. A mod note was posted in the thread saying that it would be moderated more heavily.
2. RD threads are already moderated to a higher standard.
3. Several posts in this thread have already been infracted for spam, failing to contribute, and for insulting the thread starter.
4. You had not posted in this thread yet, thus providing no prior context that would suggest your "8 year old white boy" rewrite of someone else's message was "merely replacing" a term.
5. Even if your claim that it's not an insult is true, it still breaks the rules because you do not assert anything in your post and you chose to make your alleged point by rewriting someone's entire message. Changing someone's message is allowable when you're using it to make a point that is made vividly clear. You did not do this. You edited someone's post in its entirety and presented that as your contribution. At worst, it's an insult. At best, it's spam. Either way, it breaks the rules of an RD thread that is on a short leash.
Lastly, in regards to your latest message, if you have to label something as a "sad fact" when placing a negative judgement upon another person, it is likely an insult. It is also not up to you to decide what is or isn't an insult when you are not the one being insulted. You are certainly welcome to try and argue that telling someone they can barely read is a civil contribution but I think we both know it isn't and definitely wasn't intended as such.
Valka's contributions to the thread are irrelevant to this subject. If you felt you had nothing to add to an RD thread, you are encouraged to refrain from using the "Post Reply" function in the future.
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Vincour, Friday at 7:15 AMReport
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Here are the facts.
1. A mod note was posted in the thread saying that it would be moderated more heavily.
2. RD threads are already moderated to a higher standard.
3. Several posts in this thread have already been infracted for spam, failing to contribute, and for insulting the thread starter.
4. You had not posted in this thread yet, thus providing no prior context that would suggest your "8 year old white boy" rewrite of someone else's message was "merely replacing" a term.
Well, if properly read, that would be fairly obvious. Seeing as, as you yourself pointed out, it's a modified quote. But apart from that, I've already pointed out that that was precisely what I did. I did not address the OP poster or anyone else. And yet you claim I'm insulting someone. That takes a bit more imagination than I am capable of.
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5. Even if your claim that it's not an insult is true, it still breaks the rules because you do not assert anything in your post and you chose to make your alleged point by rewriting someone's entire message. Changing someone's message is allowable when you're using it to make a point that is made vividly clear. You did not do this. You edited someone's post in its entirety and presented that as your contribution. At worst, it's an insult. At best, it's spam. Either way, it breaks the rules of an RD thread that is on a short leash.
I do not assert anything. Correct. Nor do I claim anything. Nor do I, following the first two, insult anyone. What I did was compare. Something which, after claimed multiple readings, has still managed to elude you.
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Lastly, in regards to your latest message, if you have to label something as a "sad fact" when placing a negative judgement upon another person, it is likely an insult. It is also not up to you to decide what is or isn't an insult when you are not the one being insulted. You are certainly welcome to try and argue that telling someone they can barely read is a civil contribution but I think we both know it isn't and definitely wasn't intended as such.
Again, you are assuming here. In fact, what appears to be the case: you want me to intend to insult. Sadly, you have no grounds for such an assumption, as I just showed.
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Valka's contributions to the thread are irrelevant to this subject. If you felt you had nothing to add to an RD thread, you are encouraged to refrain from using the "Post Reply" function in the future.
Again, an assumption not based on anything I said. If I felt I'd nothing to add, I'd added nothing. I do that quite often.
I'd appreciate it if you passed this matter on to someone capable of going beyond bickering about what I ' intend'. That's also in accordance with the rules. If you are not capable of that, I'm afraid this will have to go public.
Sincerely,
Agent327.
P.S. The fact that you 'feel' insulted, is quite irrelevant. The only one who could feel insulted is the person addressed. But therein lies the problem. I didn't address anyone. If I'd replaced 'feminism' with 'Donald Trump', you'd probably conclude I am insulting Donald Trump. But in the comparison neither Donald Trump nor (unnamed) 8 -year old boy is addressed. You further suggest that by merely mentioning 'sad fact' I am trying to insult you. Sadly, sad facts are merely that: sad facts.
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I'm completely alright with this being made public in its entirety.
You can begin the appeals process by following these instructions.
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Be that as it may, it's impossible to tell from the People To Note list who is a supermod. A bit more help would be appreciated.
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A list of super moderators is provided at the bottom of this thread.
ori, Rob (RX8FT), Lefty Scaevola, Methos, Bootstoots
I think ori may still be on Easter Break but Rob, Lefty, and Boots are safe bets for receiving a prompt response. Not too sure about Methos.
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Scratch that. Ori, Rob, and Boots are currently active and can be contacted for a prompt response. Lefty hasn't been around in a week and Methos hasn't been around in two. Apologies.
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