Dude, we thought the sound barrier could never be broken.
Aliens? (the ones that aren't from Earth)
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Dude, we thought the sound barrier could never be broken.
I mentioned that I'd bet there are. But I'm going to use my leisure dollars to do the betting.
I just figure that if we do run into ET, we're going to wish we'd been more proactive in certain areas earlier. So, I figure some of those areas warrant investment, especially if those investments have other benefits.
So, I'm not actively creating a defensive star-fleet, but I think that SETI is worth some people's time.
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I'm pretty sure that the chance of other life in our universe is relatively high. Even if you only count the stars which are extremely like the Sun, we have more than a few in the stellar neighborhood. Moreover, other types of stars may well harbor life -- I would not be surprised to find that there are thousands of worlds bearing life in our Galaxy.
Now, as to this silly notion that we'd never meet intelligent life in our Galaxy -- why is that? I don't believe that we can exceed light speed (not in the next few millennia), but really, a time period of 100,000 years isn't all that large in the grander scheme of things. If we can't last that long, we'd be a pretty poor civilization.
Now, as to this silly notion that we'd never meet intelligent life in our Galaxy -- why is that? I don't believe that we can exceed light speed (not in the next few millennia), but really, a time period of 100,000 years isn't all that large in the grander scheme of things. If we can't last that long, we'd be a pretty poor civilization.
West 36
Can count up to 4
There must be, but none here. And I doubt we will ever really meet one, which makes me sad, but if we did, that would be sweet, assuming they're intelligent AND not a galactic killing machine.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
Welsh immigrants?
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Sure, they're out there somewhere. Intelligent ones.
Did they ever visit Earth? I doubt it.
Did they ever visit Earth? I doubt it.
azzaman333
meh
Sure, why not.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Dude, no we didn't. The sound barrier was never considered to be physically impossible to break. Some thought that planes that do it are technically infeasible, but that's signficantly different then disallowed by the laws of space and time.
No, the universe being infinite is not sufficient assuming that life exists. However, if we also assume that the universe is smooth (that is to say that we are not in a special part of the universe), then we can deduce that somewhere out there there is a region just like ours. That is if you were travel far enough, you will find another earth. (Of course relativity and age prevent such travel, but it is still conceivable albeit impossible)For God's sake - if the universe is infinite it doesn't mean that the chance of life to exist is 1! Because an infinite universe does not equal an universe where everything exists.That belief comes from some people's inability to understand the notion of infinity.
Do you also believe there must be some Mona Lisa paintings in the outer space?
The "infinity" argument is simply void! Do you agree with me that since the universe is infinite, the space between all particles in the universe is also infinite? So, there must be life in the space between all the existing particles, because it's infinite, so what are the odds of it not happening!
It's not my favorite argument, but it does hold water.
Why wouldn't there be life elsewhere? To claim we are alone, you have to assume that earth is unique in all the universe. That is tough to support.
Once life begins, if we assume that evolutionary principles apply everywhere, then you can be sure that it will expand and grow in complexity to the fullest extent permitted by its environemnt.
Once life begins, if we assume that evolutionary principles apply everywhere, then you can be sure that it will expand and grow in complexity to the fullest extent permitted by its environemnt.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
Not really.. The environment we live in is capable of supporting life much more complex than what is around today..
The leap to sentience was quite a big one, for humans. Statistically speaking, it should have occurred elsewhere, but we're not really sure how likely or unlikely it is.
Perfection
The Great Head.
Well, it is concievable that abiogenesis is so rare that in an average universe like ours less then one strain of life would develop.
In fact not, to claim that we are alone you have to assume that the probability of life in any given universe like ours (same laws early mass distribution etc.) is small. Now this certainly is an unwarranted assumption, but it's also unwarranted to claim it is large.
Evolution principles doesn't imply that, it allows it, but in no way requires it.
warpus
Sommerswerd asked me to change this
But that would make life very very very very very rare and I would have to call its appearance on Earth a miracle.
Statistically speaking, it's far more likely life isn't that rare. In that case, life appearing on Earth would make more sense.
a_propagandist
The Light Brigadier
UFOs can't be a collective delusion spanning thousands of years.
Cheezy the Wiz
Socialist In A Hurry
You're speaking to an atheist. Of course it can.
a_propagandist
The Light Brigadier
I'm atheist. I mean, I hope that FTL really is possible. Not FTL speeds but hopefully FTL travel (warping space etc. except that takes a large amount of energy too)
They don't need to be intelligent to be galactic killing machines. However, I cannot predict the probability that the ET life will be innately hostile to humans. I assume a portion will be, just naturally. Another portion might be intelligent and hostile.
holy king
Deity
of course, i'm hiding one in my garage!
classical_hero
In whom I trust
According to the Bible, God says that there is only life on our planet and on no others. Also that would mean that all other Alien life are suffering under sin as a result of someone else's sin.
Romans 8:19-23 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
20 For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,
21 Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
It is clear that the whole of the Universe in under bondage, which is why it is very important that Christ came to remove the effects og Adam's since. See Romans 5:12-19 for what Adam's sin did to us.
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