Alternate History Thread III

[Imago]

Heh. I said there would be screaming.

As Insane Panda said, the map is a draft. It has borders, proposed capitals, and not much else. Give me suggestions, people. (Beyond just Chicago, which, for the record, I agree should be both an eco center and on the map.)

EDIT: Thanks to j_eps, for the suggestions in his crosspost.

 

[alex994]

The Russian-Chinese border in Manchuria really should be at the Amur River

 

[Imago]

Never mind.

 

[das]

Some of you apparently don't get it. The Sino-Soviet border is on the Chinese Military Railroad (the OTL border of Russian influence sphere in Manchuria prior to WWI). Ofcourse Hebrewland didn't exist in 1942 - this is a goddamn utopic project for the POST-WAR world, so it doesn't matter what did exist and what didn't in 1942!

Agree about the cities and the eco. centers.

*is angry that his althist got overshadowed by that map. Et tu, carta?*

 

[jeps]

Nevermind! I was reading the fine print on the map, and it does actually say Hebrewland. I thought das was making it up. Its point 26. According to the map Albania is part of the Federated Republic of Greece.

 

[Imago]

Albania is part of the Federated Republic of Greece.

One more thing to be corrected in the revision.

@das-What you wrote is a good start to a new althist. Where do you intend on stopping?

 

[Dachs]

*is angry that his althist got overshadowed by that map. Et tu, carta?*

Heh. I liked it, in any event. It's probably rather obvious what nation I'd like to take in the event that that's made into a NES.

I'm still plugging away at that next installment; it's rather lengthy, but that's to be expected, even though I'm only up to 1115 so far.

 

[das]

I really should've worked faster... Its not a start, the start was on page 9 of this thread.

Links:
Introduction and Beginning of the British Revolution.
The Fourth English Civil War, its spread and evolution.
The Five Years War.
Snapshot-1780.
The "Quiet" Eighties.
The "Noisy" Nineties.
1790s Continued and the End of Peace.

I intend to take it to 1820 or so - I have lots of other ideas that just beg for development after that.

 

[Dachs]

...I finally see that after going through the whole thread, copying and pasting all of the posts into a Word doc, and printing it all out...

 

[das]

I tend to post these after an althist is over, you know.

 

[Dachs]

I thought you wanted to keep going...

BTW, I might finally build up a modicum of responsibility and mod a NES in the coming month or so. If so, I'll probably do one based on that TL, instead of playing Prussia like I wanted. Would I be allowed to, would you make stats and map were I to do so, and do you think anyone would care?

...and are you really going to carry it into the Twenties?

 

[das]

Well, consider this - I WILL keep it going, I'll cover the Great Eastern War, and the early post-war era (I already do have a few things planned for that - just because its post-war doesn't mean there won't be some fighting afterwards!), then as yet another "interesting times" era begins I will stop. Now, I considered picking it up again later, but if someone wants to do a NES in this setting, I certainly wouldn't mind.

Prussia? Strange, somehow I thought you wanted another nation...

 

[das]

Guess the PoD map, 1940 AD. Hokkaido and Kyushu are under temporary occupation, btw.

 

[Symphony D.]

Whatever it was, WWI went strangely (seeing as how Germany has no colonies but is still intact territorially and has absorbed Austria...), and the Russian Revolution and Japanese Imperialism went horribly wrong for both. PoD is either WWI or sometime between probably 1890 and 1914.

 

[Imago]

Well...Russia clearly collapsed, or was never fully formed. Let's see where I can go from there. World War One happened, as Germany dosen't have any African colonies anymore, but it still has the Danzing area, and a port in China... And Russia collapsed more completely. I see a connection! Perhaps Germany's defeat of Russia was more total in WWI than in OTL, and the country collapsed into chaos, with Germany grabbing a puppet state Poland, so, while Germany still lost WWI, it didn't loose the war quite so badly, and the blame migrated southwards, to Austria-Hungary. That's the POD. Then, it seems, due to Germany's strength, while the Nazis or some other expansionist party took power, they weren't as extreme as OTL. The Germans quietly annexed Austria and the Czech lands, while Japan, without friends, quickly gained the world's ire in the Sino-Japanese War, resulting in a mini WW2, in which Japan never stood a chance. Due to Italy's relative strength, it seems the alliance with Germany is still on... That's what I could come up with. Am I right?

 

[das]

Though there were some changes in the WWI, they were mostly negligible. Versailles, however, was affected to a greater extent; and the post-war world was different from the start... Imago's other guesses are also wrong (not Symphony's, but his were more vague and its not all that hard to see that neither the Russian Revolution nor the Japanese imperial expansion went particularily well).

 

[Symphony D.]

- The Italians didn't get snubbed at Versailles
- Germany apparently was not as badly treated; they lost Alsace-Loraine and most of the colonies, but still retain West Prussia, although they seem to have lost Posen.
- Presumably, the Russian faction based out of the Crimean is the White Russians (since that tends to be one of their colors) and they either somehow contributed to the Allied effort or annexed those parts of Turkey after the fact (more likely the latter)
- Austria-Hungary is blamed for the war instead of Germany?

It has something to do with some kind of political shift, as a lack of change in the flow of warfare will still leave the Allies wanting war reparations that Austria-Hungary cannot possibly pay. Most likely amongst either the British or French leaders, as Wilson was already an idealist.

 

[Dachs]

Did something happen to one of the Big Four? Perhaps Germany is allowed to keep a large chunk of its land, and the English push for a union of all of the German-speaking regions?

EDIT: Crosspost with Sym.

 

[das]

- The Italians didn't get snubbed at Versailles

They did, but partially righted that wrong by themselves in the more violent (than in OTL) 1920s.

- Germany apparently was not as badly treated; they lost Alsace-Loraine and most of the colonies, but still retain West Prussia, although they seem to have lost Posen.

Their losses were plus/minus as in OTL; I remind you that the map is for 1940, so there were lots of time for things to change.

- Presumably, the Russian faction based out of the Crimean is the White Russians (since that tends to be one of their colors) and they either somehow contributed to the Allied effort or annexed those parts of Turkey after the fact (more likely the latter)

White Russians, and its the latter.

Okay, I suppose I overstated the influence on the Versailles (or, rather, on the peace negotiations in general) as well, though some things were different. The dealings with the Central Powers (sans Turkey) are mostly as in OTL...

 

[Insane_Panda]

As can be seen, Russian revolution fails. (I'm supposing that the allies have something to do with it, cooperating with the White Russians to a greater extent in the 20's?)

Beer Hall Putsch suceeds? (or, perhaps, a greater military coup in the same vein?)