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One of the crusades (due a PoD among its leaders or funders) properly secures Alexandria and northern egypt, and thus all subsequent crusades have a much stronger base? Or is that just an effect 
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das
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Not immediately.
And I did say that they were "Uniate" in an earlier post; under that I meant that they belong to the branch of the Orthodox Church that had formally reunited with Catholicism at a certain point. The Hungarians AND the Venetians did have a lot to do with that; both powers were stronger than in OTL, particularily in the Balkans, indeed most Balkan wars in this modern history had a lot to do with Hungarian (re)conquests and subsequent rebellions with intervention from other nearby powers.
Not quite, but something fairly similar (i.e. a Slavic - that includes Danube Bulgar - conquest of Constantinople, a very important event in this timeline) did happen slightly further along the line.
One of the crusades (due a PoD among its leaders or funders) properly secures Alexandria and northern egypt, and thus all subsequent crusades have a much stronger base? Or is that just an effect
Its just an effect. The aforementioned conquest of Constantinople brought about a Byzantine collapse, benefitting the Fatimids. It was just enough to make them considerably stronger - and ironically that just made them and the Seljuk Turks bleed white against each other (generally making the Middle East even more messed up, especially in Anatolia where Turkic migrants and Arab colonists clashed and mixed). Then the Venetians, the Pope and other people behind the Crusades saw a nice opportunity and acted upon it. First the Kingdom of Jerusalem was founded, but as the Crusade fever caught on a large force of Normans (who didn't conquer Sicily, as well as a certain other European country that they conquered in OTL, and so were fairly restless and unemployed in spite of the French events) and suchlike invaded Egypt, which was fortutiously enough in a civil war. With Venetian backing they conquered it and made it stick, though it was quite a bit of a fluke. Once Egypt grew stronger it did indeed become the foremost Crusading power and a major base, and its kings ensured the survival of the lesser Crusader kingdoms (leaving them to be consumed by itself in due time, ofcourse).
If there\'s more Magyar intervention, then perhaps they were defeated earlier than Lechfeld, thus pushing them into the Balkans, driving a migration of other tribes before them...is it a Bulgar or a Magyar PoD?
das
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Nah. Magyars were much like in OTL until the Mongols did not lay waste to Hungary, because they failed to come that far (Galicia and Wallachia were as far west as they got in this world). Then the Ottomans failed to show up, so Hungarian hegemony in the Balkans - interrupted only by major insurgencies, an insanely brilliant Egyptian king and occasional coalitions of nearby powers with interests of their own in the Balkans - was pretty natural.
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There are too many Christians in this world.
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Yes, Christianity is more widespread, and is somewhat less divided, though those divisions that do exist are at times considerably more bitter than in OTL (most notably the one between France and the rest of Christendom). Also the Incan Empire and most of Asia are quite strictly denied to Christian missionaries; thats a large part of the world's population, I'd say.
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Das, this WILL be NES2 VII. So shall it be written, so shall it be done. 
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Tell me about that Bengali state. Is it Hindu or Muslim? It looks like Islam is weaker in this world so it look Hindu. And its colonal....me like.
das
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It is Hindu, and a fairly important naval power in the region (predominant in the Bay of Bengal, naturally), though falling technologically behind lately (it is a few decades behind Portugal technologically, but catching up shouldn't be hard if the government sets its mind to it).
das
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It advanced slightly further than in OTL at first, but later got pushed back considerably by the Crusades (and the Mongols, but most of these had naturally converted to Islam at a later point anyway). It is actually undergoing something of a Sunni renaissance right now, though Shiite Iraq is making things complicated.
Yes.
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Any more guesses? Or questions, for that matter. I generally love answering questions about my timelines.
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Has India been soiled by the Muslims and Christians? Or has Classical India been preserved? You say the Bengali state is Hindu does that mean its a continuation of the Pala Dynasty? And what of the other Indians states? Are they all Hindu?
das
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How exactly did Japan become so...kickarse exactly. Are they Christian too?
The Shogun will cut you into many pieces for even suggesting that. They used to be missionary-friendly in the 17th century, and did indeed progress much thanks to the alliance with Portugal that helped the present line of Shoguns come to power, but as of the 19th century reaction has set in, and though there is no talk of isolationism (rather, the Japanese have a different extreme now, though their world conquest seems to be proceeding somewhat slowly...), Christians are now getting simply butchered.
By the former, no more than in OTL; actually, less, as no Mughals ever appeared. Christians don't have a stronger presence than in the OTL 18th century neither, outside of Ceylon ofcourse.
How does one preserve "Classical India", and what is "Classical India" anyway? No, the Mauryan Empire is no longer around.
Not really, but the present Bengali dynasty does claim such ancestry.
The Sultanate of Hyderabad is obviously Muslim, the others are Hindu. The northwestern state is the Rajput Empire, the one in the Gangetic Plain is the Malla Empire (Gurkha in origin, created as a result of an opportunistic powergrab at the expense of the crumbling Delhi Sultanate in the late 15th century, but by now the rulers are thoroughly Indianised).
Correct me if I am wrong on any of this:
The PoD
-has to do with either the Balkans and or the Slavs, but not directly with the Byzantines
-occurred in the mid to late 9th century
-resulted in a near immediate Byzantine collapse due to the fall of Constantinople (just as the Fourth Crusade did)
-did not result in major changes to the Kingdom of Hungary for a few centuries at least (other than the lack of endemic warfare with the Byzantines)
-did not involve further successes of Tsar Boris (directly)
-resulted in the near-mass conversion of the Turks to Christianity (at least, those that migrated to the West)
-did not directly involve ecclesiastical stuff or conversions in general
...so, it is still rather confusing. Has it anything to do with the Vlastimirovich Serbs?
Also, what was the state of Anatolia between the fall of Constantinople and the Turkish migration?
das
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The analogy is correct, but the collapse wasn't very immediate.
In the long-term, and the Turks in Anatolia aren't all that many. Most Turks - settled all over the greater Persian region - are still Muslim.
Nothing whatsoever.
Mostly there was a bunch of squabbling despotates, fighting against the Pereyeslavian Empire's claims to the former Byzantine regions. Also the Fatimids conquered and held southern (mostly southeastern) Anatolia for a while.
das
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The latter...
das
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Oh come on, it should be real easy now!
As a completely irrelevant bit of information, France in this world in particular is not as it may seem. I think Thlayli would for once be best qualified to lead it, at least from the role-play point of view, taking his well-known and self-declared inter-NES societal leanings into consideration. Then again Insane Panda would be more qualified after a Young Gaul (rather like the OTL Young Turk) revolution or coup that may occur in the nearest future. Around 150 years ago (i.e. in the mid-18th century) it was led by silver2039 (or, at least, his performance in DisNES II and elsewhere was partially inspirational for the French actions in the Fifty Years War).
As two more random bits of information from this world (just because I bothered thinking it out, and decided that they might be of some interest), Australia is strongly Roman Catholic (though still more or less a secular federal republic), and the state in Argentina is the Argentine Protectorate of the Kingdom of Arcadia. Those three and the Republic of New Albion are the shards of the British empire that emerged during and after the Fifty Years War, though they are severely divided by geography, contesting claims of succession to the original empire, political ideology and religion (Arcadia and the Protectorate are "Anglican", which is actually surprisingly similar to OTL Anglican; New Albion is divided).
As a completely irrelevant bit of information, France in this world in particular is not as it may seem. I think Thlayli would for once be best qualified to lead it, at least from the role-play point of view, taking his well-known and self-declared inter-NES societal leanings into consideration. Then again Insane Panda would be more qualified after a Young Gaul (rather like the OTL Young Turk) revolution or coup that may occur in the nearest future. Around 150 years ago (i.e. in the mid-18th century) it was led by silver2039 (or, at least, his performance in DisNES II and elsewhere was partially inspirational for the French actions in the Fifty Years War).
As two more random bits of information from this world (just because I bothered thinking it out, and decided that they might be of some interest), Australia is strongly Roman Catholic (though still more or less a secular federal republic), and the state in Argentina is the Argentine Protectorate of the Kingdom of Arcadia. Those three and the Republic of New Albion are the shards of the British empire that emerged during and after the Fifty Years War, though they are severely divided by geography, contesting claims of succession to the original empire, political ideology and religion (Arcadia and the Protectorate are "Anglican", which is actually surprisingly similar to OTL Anglican; New Albion is divided).
