Am I the only one missing Sweden as a Civ?

[sabo]

Is this another 'Polish' thread?

 

[DemonMaster]

Yes, this thread is another ... thread, but with the difference that we are less anoying

 

[PibbZ]

Norway is the capital of sweden, usually... if you ask the general american

However, i find them represented by the Vikings just as much as Norway and Denmark. Several of their city names is from the respective countries. Norway got the capital though, luckily!

 

[Peng Qi]

Rather just change the name of the Viking civ.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

The Vikings stir emotions, modern Swedes do not.

Anita Ekberg and Ingrid Bergman never stirred any emotions in you?

 

[Öjevind Lång]

Wrong!
I don't want Sweden because I believe Denmark was greater! AND I think a single Scandinavian civilization would be much wiser.

I agree about the second statement. Give the "Viking Civilization" their proper name of Scandinavians!

 

[sabo]

I agree about the second statement. Give the "Viking Civilization" their proper name of Scandinavians!

U know that IS sort of strange though, that we have a scandinavian civ (vikings) AND a Danish Civ... I guess it's not different than HRE and france and Germany, or American with the american indian tribes too

 

[hest]

Voted no, barely any need. The Scandinavians as a whole had a much greater impact in world history by the late iron age than any Scandinavian country would by itself.

But please do rename the Viking empire to Scandinavia, and Berserkers to Vikings. I know it can be done through modding, but it's a matter of principle.

 

[Angst]

I also think Denmark was important (yay, another Dane), as we had as much impact on history as Sweden (We also had colonies btw... Sweden was a regional power), but I'd prefer a Kalmar civ.

 

[Swedishguy]

I'd like Sweden as a civ, not for what Sweden did under 'Stormaktstiden', but for what it does today. Sweden is one of the key countries in the world, I should say. Yes, I want Sweden in Civ.

 

[Drezn]

It would be hard to pick between the Scandinavian nations as THE nation to use as Scandinavians.

Being a dane though, I know we've been quite large at one time before those pesky brits forced us to choose the wrong side in the napoleonic wars

Long story short, Great Britain demanded our fleet in the early 1800s, and when we didn't hand it over, they came and took it. This "forced" us to side with Napoleon in the war, which turned out badly. We never recovered, and neighbouring nations spotted the chance to take some land. I'm no historian so please excuse any errors, but I believe that's the gist of it. Enough about that...

Denmark has at one time included all of Norway, a good part of southern Sweden, part of northern Germany, and Iceland. For a short period in between all the plundering of England, all of it was part of the Danish Empire (26 years). Greenland is still an autonomous province under the kingdom of Denmark, as is the Faroe Islands.

Once again, I'm by no means a historian, but Denmark was without a doubt a super power at one time around the year 1000AD

As for unique units I believe our cartoonists have proven their worth as great negative diplomacy bombs during the "Muhammad Crisis" just recently...

Edit: Oh, I forgot about colonial holdings in Danish India, the Danish West Indies in the Caribbean, and the Danish Gold Coast in Africa

 

[Zhahz]

I won't rest until every group of humans that's ever existed is recognized as a civ. It's only right! Even groups like the Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, The Kiss Army, etc - they have world-wide empires and it's criminal that Firaxis hasn't recognized thier world dominance and affect on world culture and made them playable in Civ IV. It's a travesty.

 

[Angst]

It would be hard to pick between the Scandinavian nations as THE nation to use as Scandinavians.

Being a dane though, I know we've been quite large at one time before those pesky brits forced us to choose the wrong side in the napoleonic wars

Long story short, Great Britain demanded our fleet in the early 1800s, and when we didn't hand it over, they came and took it. This "forced" us to side with Napoleon in the war, which turned out badly. We never recovered, and neighbouring nations spotted the chance to take some land. I'm no historian so please excuse any errors, but I believe that's the gist of it. Enough about that...

Denmark has at one time included all of Norway, a good part of southern Sweden, part of northern Germany, and Iceland. For a short period in between all the plundering of England, all of it was part of the Danish Empire (26 years). Greenland is still an autonomous province under the kingdom of Denmark, as is the Faroe Islands.

Once again, I'm by no means a historian, but Denmark was without a doubt a super power at one time around the year 1000AD

As for unique units I believe our cartoonists have proven their worth as great negative diplomacy bombs during the "Muhammad Crisis" just recently...

Edit: Oh, I forgot about colonial holdings in Danish India, the Danish West Indies in the Caribbean, and the Danish Gold Coast in Africa

First of all: Problem with Danish power 1000AD = Viking Era.

Otherwise:

When Denmark had possessions in Estonia (Regional power - no map)

map of Denmark when it was a regional power (Kalmar Union: age of prime IMHO):

Decline in ~1650, where Sweden took many Danish areas.

map of Denmark when it's a colonial power (More a trade thing):

Notice: in 1800 Denmark had the largest navy in the world. England demanded it, Denmark said no, and England attacked. Denmark won the most battle, but due to a letter of some sort, England made the Danish fleet surrender >.<

Then, Copenhagen was bombed, etc etc nationalistic crap and here we are, owning a lot of ice in the northwest.

Well, Denmark was powerful in the Medieval era. As you say.

 

[Drezn]

Awesome, someone with historical knowledge

First of all: Problem with Danish power 1000AD = Viking Era.

I don't think I understand this... Denmark being big in the viking era doesn't make it not a danish superpower does it?

in 1800 Denmark had the largest navy in the world. England demanded it, Denmark said no, and England attacked. Denmark won the most battle, but due to a letter of some sort, England made the Danish fleet surrender >.<

Then, Copenhagen was bombed, etc etc nationalistic crap and here we are, owning a lot of ice in the northwest.

Are you sure about this? There was a large battle in 1801 which Denmark lost due to the paper thing you mention, but the second battle in 1807 when Denmark was bombed with incendiary bombs is the one where our fleet was taken. Or perhaps that happened in both battles? At least that's what I can get out of a quick wikipedia read...

Also, we may be getting too far off track here for this not to start looking like a hijack

 

[Drezn]

I'd like Sweden as a civ, not for what Sweden did under 'Stormaktstiden', but for what it does today. Sweden is one of the key countries in the world, I should say. Yes, I want Sweden in Civ.

Not knowing too much about Sweden, what makes it one of the key countries in the world today?

 

[blitzkrieg1980]

This is not atall some whining from a little swede...

Nah, that would be SwedishGuy... j/k Swedesbro, it's just been too long since i posted some b/s with you

I wouldn't mind seeing Sweden in the game, the more civs the merrier IMO.

I voted "What's Sweden?" because I thought SwedishGuy was completely making the place up...

 

[SkippyT]

This thread is alive again? I always enjoy talking about Scandinavian countries.
Overall I don't think Sweden is a civilization important enough to make the cut. Denmark merely makes it but together; Sweden, Denmark and Norway (and Iceland) they're very worthy.
Then we have medieval Denmark; the people who conquered England and Northern-France and raided many countries. Of course they did much more like have a large colonial power including Faeroe Islands, Iceland, Greenland, Danish Virgin Isles (American Virgin Isles) and colonies in Ghana, India, Bangladesh and islands in the Indian ocean.
We also know about Sweden's achievements; they were one of the strongest countries in the world at a certain point in the renaissance.

Scandinavian civilization I say!

 

[Ethric]

The Viking civ cover the scandinavian countries well, I think. That's when they were cool and noteworthy. Can't see that any of them deserves to be in on their own, unless we're looking at a 4th expansion and grasping for any nation that's done allright but nothing much more.

As for that map of Denmark, having control of relatively large bits of land at one point doesn't really seem enough.

 

[Drezn]

As for that map of Denmark, having control of relatively large bits of land at one point doesn't really seem enough.

Well, I think there's a bit more to it than just controlling large amounts of land...

Let me add to this that I don't think any of the scandinavian countries should be added as a separate nation, I vote for renaming vikings to scandinavians, and having the viking as the unique unit.

 

[skallben]

Not knowing too much about Sweden, what makes it one of the key countries in the world today?

"Key country" is a slight exaggeration but given that we are only 9 millions we certainly have more impact than one would expect. We have made the EU progress quite a bit in enviromental issues and we've allways been trying to help poor countries as far as our tiny budget allows us. Slightly different social/political model also. Quite a bit less authoritharian/right wingish that the most western countries today. Even our rightwing party is quite "light-blue" so to speak. Yes, it works - we have been one of the richest and most socially developed countries in the world a looong time. Also, we are innovators in techincal/medicine areas and has been for a long time. And we give you the Nobel Prize!