skallben
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Am I the only one missing Sweden as a Civ?
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Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
I'm a swede and I don't think that Sweden is worthy of having its own civilization in Civ. Almost all european countries have been empires once (or affilated to one). Sweden had its "golden age" just like most other countries. It's nothing particular.
However, the "Systembolaget" (The state-owned liquor shop) suggestion is great.
However, the "Systembolaget" (The state-owned liquor shop) suggestion is great.
Swedishguy
Deity
Oh, it's just that Sweden has had "Golden Ages" quite constantly. Sweden is having a "Golden Age" right now.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
Disagreed. Sweden's Golden Age was from about 1650 where it took a decent part of Denmark. Sweden declined economically (Losing Baltic provinces) in the later 1700s or early 1800s and comletely lost actual power when Norway became independent, and Finland was taken by Russia. Today Sweden is more a diplomatic 'powerhouse'.
Angst
Rambling and inconsistent
What I would call a Golden Age. Every nation/civ/state or whatsoever, has an age of prime, which I refer to as the Golden age.
KillerRabbit
Chieftain
Hahaha! I had to dig up my old login just to quote laugh at that statement!!
Yeah, u wish sweden was a key country
I forgot to quote, sorry. Wasn't meant to be a reply to your post. I agree with your statement.
KillerRabbit
Chieftain
What kind of golden age?
The golden age of having its education system failing?
The golden age of journalism taking over the politics systems completly, where the newspapers rule the country, not the elected leaders?
Uh. Yeah. Kill free speech forever, really brilliant. Do the finnish-style school, where the kids get afraid of everything because they have such pressure from first grade. And mentally unstable. Really great.
Besides, Sweden created Finnish civilization, you wouldn't want to be a part of the old iron curtain states, would you? Without Swedens colonization in your country, you would have slavs walk in there which would (most likely) a part of Russia. During the winterwar, most of the food to Finland came from Sweden, and a lot of weapons too for that matter.
Besides, all that Finland seem to do these days is build nuclear power plants because they want "their own electricity".
What "swedishguy" means is that swedish economy is on a high right now, although that is declining.
Our elected leaders are just liberal corporate tools. Most newspapers are owned by the ones whose interests the government represents. Furthermore, most of our newspapers are pro-government (or even more right wing). Not just the editorials. There's no free speech in Sweden. Only for those who own media. But of course we're free to speak with ourselves in some cellar, where nobody can hear us. That's free - doesn't cost anything. It's free to live on the street too.
It's very obvious that this new government favours the elite. Most tax cuts of importance only affect the rich and corporations. People didn't realize this before the elections. They were just listening to the very same "objective"=liberal media.
The finnish people was already there before the swedes seized power. The bolsheviks made finland independent from Russia.
World economy is "on a high". Not just Sweden. No golden age. swedishguy just thinks sweden is great because _he_ lives there.
It's very obvious that this new government favours the elite. Most tax cuts of importance only affect the rich and corporations. People didn't realize this before the elections. They were just listening to the very same "objective"=liberal media.
The finnish people was already there before the swedes seized power. The bolsheviks made finland independent from Russia.
World economy is "on a high". Not just Sweden. No golden age. swedishguy just thinks sweden is great because _he_ lives there.
How is the media different in other countries? I find it quite strange that you seem to have sniffed out this incredibly chocking statement on your own. Sure, I can agree with you on the point that having a so one-sided press is bad, but it isn't like we're living in Oceania (1984) here. No acopalypse.
And, yes, the new government is clearly destroying sweden. The people who thought they would gain anything from the change (and didn't live in a villa in Danderyd) are pretty much the same folks who blamed Lars Danielsson for the whole . .. .. .. .ing tsunami. As if having him reacting faster would have saved a single life. Pathetic.
Finland was never united (if I'm not faulty) before they were chopped of from Sweden, so they would probably better pass as the same "race" as swedes. But idonnu. It doesn't belong here.
Förresten kunde vi väl ta hela skiten på svenska, inte fan är det nån annan som bryr sig. Varför bryr vi oss.
The media is not a lot different anywhere practically. But it can be improved in numerous ways. I'm just targeting global liberal hypocrisy. They speak about freedom but the majority gets the opposite. And ultimately when hundreds of thousands of people in some far-away country expose their lies and the whole system is threatened they make tanks and heads roll in the streets. There are many examples of this. Some well known are: the many coups in South Am, Africa and Asia in the 5-80ths, the constitutional crisis in Russia 1993 and especially the coup in Venezuela a few years ago. When liberals commit the very same atrocities some of their opponents do, it's ok.
I think Finland belonged to Russia longer time than it belonged to Sweden. But the reason why they don't have a russian speaking minority would be that the finnish local rule was more autonomous. However, perhaps if Sweden was to be modeled after the 17th century "golden age", Finland should be included.
Haha, nej det är nog ingen som bryr sig. Men diskussioner ger alltid något.
I think Finland belonged to Russia longer time than it belonged to Sweden. But the reason why they don't have a russian speaking minority would be that the finnish local rule was more autonomous. However, perhaps if Sweden was to be modeled after the 17th century "golden age", Finland should be included.
Haha, nej det är nog ingen som bryr sig. Men diskussioner ger alltid något.
Geez dude, don't you know the history of the Motherland. 
Finland was part of sweden for like, a really long time. I don't orka check it all up, but it's longer than Scania has been a part of Sweden today. And it was a part of russia for like 200 years. Which is lame.
Concerning the whole liberal-thingie, I don't think that's very appliable here. I mean, the papers who name themselves "liberal" are more often than not conservative. At least in sweden where conservative is a humiliation. And the ones which I see as liberal (DN?) are usually quite unprone to comment on foreign stuff except in very vivid words.
Finland was part of sweden for like, a really long time. I don't orka check it all up, but it's longer than Scania has been a part of Sweden today. And it was a part of russia for like 200 years. Which is lame.
Concerning the whole liberal-thingie, I don't think that's very appliable here. I mean, the papers who name themselves "liberal" are more often than not conservative. At least in sweden where conservative is a humiliation. And the ones which I see as liberal (DN?) are usually quite unprone to comment on foreign stuff except in very vivid words.
Well, in my opinion all parties in the parliament and most newspapers are liberal here, more or less. There's no real opposition. Some parties just have different tax policies and views on how the fruits of the wage-slavery labour should be distributed in a "just" way. When they should be abolishing wage-slavery first of all instead. I also doubt there are many real leftists in the so called left parties (i.e. real social democrats (Palme types), communists etc). The rest are just shades of blue.
GuitarHero
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In my country, both Right and Left hate our leader.
Dude it's so funny that you should say that, as a lot (most?) people think excactly the opposite. Which is, that being under social democratic rule for almost 70 years of non-stop rule (there are exceptions but they sucked) Swedens political map has been coloured reddish. And that all the right-parties are infact purple.
I think this is just due to the mellanmjölkning of the whole nation. I mean, being politically correct and "leftist" at the same time just doesn't work. Eventually, in a state where everyone wants to be good with everyone, everyone falls into more or less the same political hole (fåra).
Julian Delphiki
Anton's key
Geez dude, don't you know the history of the Motherland.
Finland was part of sweden for like, a really long time. I don't orka check it all up, but it's longer than Scania has been a part of Sweden today. And it was a part of russia for like 200 years. Which is lame.
Not quite,
The Grand Duchy of Finland was the predecessor state of modern Finland that existed in its territory 1809–1917 as part of the Russian Empire.
Or did you mean Old Finland?
skallben
Diplomat
Not purple, just less blue. Personally, I think that we are more to the middle than many countries - they are the ones who are moving to extremes, not us. But yeah, our people love the "middle ground" far too much but I hope new generations will kill that and the infamous "Jante". I would like to see some politicians with solid ideas on how to guide society in large, not just pathetic issues lake gasoline tax. Socialdemokraterna are the ones who changed the most, a classjourney from worker-party to middleclass-with-two-cars-big-villa-and-4 HDTVs-swedes. In my eyes, they are just another "lightblue" party these days. Like IlyaZ says, there is no real opposition anymore - Vänsterpartiet is stuck in a old and flawed philosophy, they need to modernize if anyone is to take them seriously.
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