An Idea Of why Marijauana Is Illegal

[Elta]

You see, what you are describing is a clear example what I was trying to point out, and while it is undeniable that men and women have clear genetics difference, but it is important to note that gender roles are nothing more then mere social constructs which are dictated by the patriarchal culture. You are trying to base these artificial construct on biological difference and your personal anecdotal evidences. As I said, I am not a psychologist, an internet one perhaps, but your, dare I say, sexist view that women are inherently inferior in certain aspects may be related to your past,

now this is what you posted earlier in this thread, and I can't help but notice your previous weight problem denied you from developing any healthy relationship with a female, mind if I ask if this weight problem occurred in your formative adolescent years? Also, as you wrote that you were convinced alcohol was evil until you were 14, can you confirm that you come from a rather strict family background, and have a distant relationship with your parents, specifically your mother?
Of course, if you are uncomfortable posting this, please don't, and as I say I am merely an internet psychologist.



Drinking or smoking anything is nothing but a personal choice, as long as said choice doesn't inhibit the person's life in any way, friends should and do respect each other different choice. Partaking in any substance won't make you brave, virtuous nor successful. Now for the record, I do drink, moderately, and I always ensure I have at least a bottle of scotch and a few six-packs of either beer or cider at home. But I won't advocate in this case, BigFoot, to drink since he made a conscious decision not to, and I won't think any less of him nor anyone else that choose differently from me.

Also, my apologies for taking a while to reply, since I was occupied IRL.

First bolded part: Yeah I know you need to be careful with that, and I try too. I do not think women are inherently inferior. Different in many ways? Yes. Both on Genetics and Social constructs.



My family is not very conservative at all really. Pretty normal for a family around here. Me and mom are super cool. My dad too. Now on the other hand, my mom did give me crappy advice which is I struck out from 12 to 17. (along with the weight thing). When I started acting like I should act around women I did well. ........ I lament my wasted time. No hatred of women though. My early opinions of alcohol were because I believed what I was told in school.



Going on a bender is dangerous, generally dangerous behavior is like Stotting. Showing your fitness with danger. Hardly bagging a mammoth or sky diving. But it is a form of danger no matter how slight the risk....... so is fatty food. Which is why a big red stake is "man food"




Everyone takes a pretty long time to reply usually, it's no sweat.

Welcome to the forum

 

[Orange Seeds]

Going on a bender is dangerous, generally dangerous behavior is like Stotting. Showing your fitness with danger. Hardly bagging a mammoth or sky diving. But it is a form of danger no matter how slight the risk....... so is fatty food. Which is why a big red stake is "man food"

I think there is a problem when you justify your actions using your most primitive instincts. This argument is crap because i could use the same premise to justify rape.

You can't use instinctual behavior to interpret an action as good or bad. Isn't fatty food a counterexample to your point? This is something that can be easily defined as bad and avoidable and you use it to show that instincts are supreme?

It's poor logic with a desperate attempt at using empiricisms.

"You cannot get an Ought from an Is."

 

[Shekwan]

How does that justify rape? You still have a choice - if you go on a bender you take the consequences of your actions, if you rape someone you face the consequences of your actions.

 

[Lay_Lay]

As a 30 something with a great deal of experience in these matters, I have to say that I have thoroughly enjoyed this entire back and forth discussion amongst the 21 yr olds. I laughed a lot (ie. the pop locking thing got me crackin up), and I even almost cried at one point for one of the poor guys.

 

[Mowque]

As a 30 something with a great deal of experience in these matters, I have to say that I have thoroughly enjoyed this entire back and forth discussion amongst the 21 yr olds. I laughed a lot (ie. the pop locking thing got me crackin up), and I even almost cried at one point for one of the poor guys.

Hey i'm 19! well, almost 20..but not 21!

 

[Tycho Brahe]

pot was taxed back in the 1930s, thats how Congress got around the Constitution - they put a nasty tax on industrial hemp (the real target) and then didn't issue stamps. The SCOTUS ruled that unconstitutional in the 60s and the Feds ignored the ruling and just reclassified pot with other narcotics. Of course there aint nothing in the Constitution that says Congress can ban or regulate narcotics, but since when do the Dem/Repubs pay any attention to the actual laws of the land?

Thats what I have heard as well.

I'm all for the Amsterdam model.

 

[Lay_Lay]

Hey i'm 19! well, almost 20..but not 21!

I guess I meant that it's kinda funny and interesting to hear the 19-21 yr olds telling the high school kids how it is.
But unrelated to your comment, in high school I was always trying not to be a dork, and failing! But I knew the whole time that I was not going to be a dork forever. Being cool in general, and that includes being cool with beer, gets you +2 from the ladies. So +2 to me means I am a solid 6, to your, what, 6? Game on bra!
If you are a recovered alcoholic, that is one thing, but to insist on not ever learning how to politely have a glass of wine or two socially, well that's just being a dork.

 

[Mowque]

So +2 to me means I am a solid 6, to your, what, 6? Game on bra!

I'm not big into competition . I guess we will just have to agree to disagree. Nice to see we pried a lurker out though.

 

[CCRunner]

You see, what you are describing is a clear example what I was trying to point out, and while it is undeniable that men and women have clear genetics difference, but it is important to note that gender roles are nothing more then mere social constructs which are dictated by the patriarchal culture. You are trying to base these artificial construct on biological difference and your personal anecdotal evidences. As I said, I am not a psychologist, an internet one perhaps, but your, dare I say, sexist view that women are inherently inferior in certain aspects may be related to your past,

Dude, I don't even agree with him totally but I don't see anything sexist in his posts. Sorry

 

[Elta]

I think there is a problem when you justify your actions using your most primitive instincts. This argument is crap because i could use the same premise to justify rape.

You can't use instinctual behavior to interpret an action as good or bad. Isn't fatty food a counterexample to your point? This is something that can be easily defined as bad and avoidable and you use it to show that instincts are supreme?

It's poor logic with a desperate attempt at using empiricisms.

"You cannot get an Ought from an Is."

I am gonna conquer with my boy below. Knowledge of why instinct works as it does does not undo sociological norms and mores you have learned.

However, there are a lot of things that seems illogical to nearly everyone, that do make sense when put into a biological context. Such as Stotting and humans putting themselves in danger.

How does that justify rape? You still have a choice - if you go on a bender you take the consequences of your actions, if you rape someone you face the consequences of your actions.

Exactly.

 

[Elta]

If you are a recovered alcoholic, that is one thing, but to insist on not ever learning how to politely have a glass of wine or two socially, well that's just being a dork.

This pretty much sums up my argument.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

This pretty much sums up my argument.

I don't know, maybe, not real soon for me, and definitely not to the point of intoxication.

And if that sums up your argument than what happened to the 6-8 drinks and all that.

 

[Elta]

I don't know, maybe, not real soon for me, and definitely not to the point of intoxication.

And if that sums up your argument than what happened to the 6-8 drinks and all that.

6-8 over 6 hours is partying. Partying in a very responsible way.

Not everyone parties. Though like I said if you don't party you are **** blocking yourself.


However not taking a glass of wine or two (or beer depending on the industry and situation) Then you are a bad businessman. It just looks unprofessional. "

What? this guy is to uncomposed when he drinks that he can't handle a glass of wine for fear of what happens? ...... how can he handle my accounts????? Or is he just a dork? We can't have any dorks as VP in my company ......... He is so not promoted"

Or what about a toast at your wedding. Not having alcohol at your wedding is like heresy against western culture!

 

[CaptainF]

If you aren't completely f-ing SMASHED at a wedding it's heresy. Or, at least, the wedding reception.

 

[Bigfoot3814]

6-8 over 6 hours is partying. Partying in a very responsible way.

Not everyone parties. Though like I said if you don't party you are **** blocking yourself.

Yeah well, I don't think I'm gonna be doing that.

However not taking a glass of wine or two (or beer depending on the industry and situation) Then you are a bad businessman. It just looks unprofessional. "

Well I plan on making my living sitting in a room talking to myself, so I should be OK.

Or what about a toast at your wedding. Not having alcohol at your wedding is like heresy against western culture!

There are exceptions to every rule.

 

[MagisterCultuum]

I couldn't find the actual e-book.

But this should help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Handicap_principle

It is essentially why people who do dangerous things and are still perfectly healthy are attractive. It is why girls like guys who ride motorcycles and it is why men tend to dangerous things together. It is a a pissing contest to establish who is "tougher"

In the end it is about communicating to other would be *"alpha males" that you are one. Like a chimp getting pissed and throwing a bunch of leaves around.

Just think of how often old men will recall something they did when they were younger "I scored 4 touchdowns in one game" etc It's all a form of boasting, showing that your genes are good in a manner of speaking.

*Humans like all other primates tend to be more monogamous the closer they are in size to each other. (I.E. the less sexual dismorphia there is the more monogamous they are.)
As such Humans tend to be less monogamous than gibbons and more monogamous than Gorillas. As such there are not "alpha males" per say in human beings even at a tribal level, but there is usually a leader in every group depending on the task at hand.

If I recall correctly, recent studies have found that the "alpha male" types among apes are actually not that good at getting mates, as was previous assumed. Increasingly we are finding that the females actually go for the males who babysit for them and groom them instead of those who spend their time showing off and trying to prove their dominance. The alpha types of course still manage to mate through what we would call "rape," but females willingly mate with the more passive males more often. This is most obvious among Bonobos where the domineering types don't have much of a chance against female solidarity, but it is also true among chimps where the alpha male's violence is usually directed at females cheating on them with the "nice guy." (I remember seeing a documentary on this a year or two ago, and while I don't remember what it was called or all of the details, I recall it saying that less dominant males being more successful at consensual sex seems to be a general rule among all the great apes.)

 

[Elta]

If you aren't completely f-ing SMASHED at a wedding it's heresy. Or, at least, the wedding reception.

There are exceptions to every rule.

There are exceptions to every rule.

Heresy!!!!!

Grab the torches and Kerosene!

 

[Elta]

If I recall correctly, recent studies have found that the "alpha male" types among apes are actually not that good at getting mates, as was previous assumed. Increasingly we are finding that the females actually go for the males who babysit for them and groom them instead of those who spend their time showing off and trying to prove their dominance. The alpha types of course still manage to mate through what we would call "rape," but females willingly mate with the more passive males more often. This is most obvious among Bonobos where the domineering types don't have much of a chance against female solidarity, but it is also true among chimps where the alpha male's violence is usually directed at females cheating on them with the "nice guy." (I remember seeing a documentary on this a year or two ago, and while I don't remember what it was called or all of the details, I recall it saying that less dominant males being more successful at consensual sex seems to be a general rule among all the great apes.)

Yeah, it is not uncommon for a female babbon to cover a "weak" males mouth when he has an orgasm to muffle a scream so that the dominate one doesn't come in and beat the crap out of them.


Test show that 99%+ women prefer more masculine faces when they are ovulating (they take a picture of a guy and alter it to look more masculine or feminine.)

Here is a good article on it, though it doesn't cover everything I am saying: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4261489.stm

Every women like different things, men are no different.


But it goes without saying that women like men who do not appear to be unhealthy and weak. Stotting does help a man look more masculine. Even if the intent is really to just do "masculine" things that they like and happen to be dangerous it happens to be a form of stotting.


Just ask any chick. Tell her there is some guy she is into and he could have one of two jobs. One is a white collar job and another is a skydiving instructor. Both pay the same. Which one sounds like a cooler job to have in a boy friend? The answer is clear and you already no it. Doing dangerous (or at the very least, more dangerous than normal) things is a way of conveying health and good genes.

 

[Squarg]

They should do with pot what they should do with all drugs. They should legalize them and set up government regulated clinics in order to administer them. That way since people are still going to do the stuff the government gets to regulate it and that decreases abuse and addiction. Basically everybody wins except the Colombians and Mexicans.

 

[Elta]

They should do with pot what they should do with all drugs. They should legalize them and set up government regulated clinics in order to administer them. That way since people are still going to do the stuff the government gets to regulate it and that decreases abuse and addiction. Basically everybody wins except the Colombians and Mexicans.

You have very little knowledge of Mexico if you think the U.S. legalizing drugs would make mexico worse.


...... You have obviously never driven through mexico or you would know what I mean.

..... Actually I'll start a new thread explaining what I mean.