Shqype
Shqyptar
That's fair, and I would perhaps say you are right.
Ancient Illyria and Ethnic Albania as Playable Civilizations!
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You are forgeting that Serbs Gipsies and Jews were the ones who were tergeted by Hitler and the Albanian Nazi (Balli Kombëtar);
The serbs were hated by Hitler becouse they (serbs), for the most parts tend to have darkskinn, it is very well confirmed by physical anthropology;
The same wiewpoint about serbs exists even today among most f.Jugosllav people;
In contrary to the Serbs the Albanians were verey much the pure Aryan race in the eyes of both Hitler and Himmler;
Best Regards
Andersi
Shqype
Shqyptar
Balli Kombetar weren't Albanian Nazis, Balli Kombetar was against both the communists and fascists, and their only goal was for fighting against all those that occupied Albania. There were some Albanians that fought on the side of Hitler, but mostly against Serbs for Albanian independence and didn't share his views of mass genocide, especially since Albania is the only country in the world where 100% of the Jews that managed to get within its borders were saved.
Shqype
Shqyptar
That is our name for the Slavic Montenegrins and Serbs, but it does not mean darkskinned ... I don't understand how one can come up with that etymology. There are three words in Albanian I'm aware of that can indicate somebody is dark: they are either a) remt (dark), b) zeshkan (almost like "moreno" in Spanish), and c) zez (the color black). The closest candidate is b, but I highly doubt that "shkja" (Slav) comes from "zeshkan."
Shkja = Slav; shkije = slavs (plural)
Shqype
Shqyptar
PS- new update for Albania with Warlords 2.08 compatibility to uploaded very soon.
Balli Kombetar was a right wing nationalist organization.
They cooperated with Italian and German occupation forces.
The reason for the cooperation is mainly the hope for the
Great Albania
All this lengthy converation if some cities are Albanian or Serbian.
As if there is such a notion of common ownership in an era when allmost
everything are privatly owned.
What exactly should the consequences be on the mixed population
living in the disputed areas?
If it's decided that those regions are Albanian, what should happen
on the non Albanian population and vice versa.
Are Albanians derived form the Illyrians? The answer depends on what
exactly "derived" means.
If it is meant as a blood line, well the answer I guess is some Albanians
and some other non Albanians are derived for Illyrians.
There have been so many conquerors and other population settlement
in the area inhabited by Illyrians for the last 2 millenniums
that it would be absurd to claim that all Albanians have had no
ancestors of an other race or tribe.
Most importantly why is this question posed?
It could be because of historical interest but I believe this
is not the case. There is propaganda about the ancestral line
on all Balkan populations in order to claim ownership of the land.
This is an other absurd conception. How come a region belongs to
the X nationality because their ancestors lived there before the
ancestors of the Y population? If someone was born, raised and lived
in an area on which basis would someone claim that he should go?
Because his ancestors did not live there for 2 millenniums but only
1 millennium? Of corse, when populations are expelled, killed or
exchanged from an area, does not happen because the population is
conviced by some argument but because they are forced to go.
Those absurd arguments are used to convince the population which
are killing or/and expelling the other nationality.
Nationality however, in my opinion is something which is taught.
A baby is not born Albanian, Serbian, Greek or anything else.
It is born as a human being.
The notion of nationality is taught by the parents and the social environment.
I for example have a difficulty to clearly identify my self as Albanian
although I was born in Albania and lived there until the age of 13.
Nor can I identify myself as a Greek allthough I lived in Greece since then.
The difficulty I believe is due to the fact that I have been influenced by
both the Albanian and Greek society.
It is Shqype's right to include some cities as Albanian even if the
one who downloaded the mode does not agree. He could have include New York if he wanted.
The mods are not meant to teach history. If you don't
like what he did, modify the files or do not download the mod.
Now something related to the mod itself.
I tried to download it but the 3ddownloads site reports
that the file is not there.
Could Shqype provide an other link?
They cooperated with Italian and German occupation forces.
The reason for the cooperation is mainly the hope for the
Great Albania
All this lengthy converation if some cities are Albanian or Serbian.
As if there is such a notion of common ownership in an era when allmost
everything are privatly owned.
What exactly should the consequences be on the mixed population
living in the disputed areas?
If it's decided that those regions are Albanian, what should happen
on the non Albanian population and vice versa.
Are Albanians derived form the Illyrians? The answer depends on what
exactly "derived" means.
If it is meant as a blood line, well the answer I guess is some Albanians
and some other non Albanians are derived for Illyrians.
There have been so many conquerors and other population settlement
in the area inhabited by Illyrians for the last 2 millenniums
that it would be absurd to claim that all Albanians have had no
ancestors of an other race or tribe.
Most importantly why is this question posed?
It could be because of historical interest but I believe this
is not the case. There is propaganda about the ancestral line
on all Balkan populations in order to claim ownership of the land.
This is an other absurd conception. How come a region belongs to
the X nationality because their ancestors lived there before the
ancestors of the Y population? If someone was born, raised and lived
in an area on which basis would someone claim that he should go?
Because his ancestors did not live there for 2 millenniums but only
1 millennium? Of corse, when populations are expelled, killed or
exchanged from an area, does not happen because the population is
conviced by some argument but because they are forced to go.
Those absurd arguments are used to convince the population which
are killing or/and expelling the other nationality.
Nationality however, in my opinion is something which is taught.
A baby is not born Albanian, Serbian, Greek or anything else.
It is born as a human being.
The notion of nationality is taught by the parents and the social environment.
I for example have a difficulty to clearly identify my self as Albanian
although I was born in Albania and lived there until the age of 13.
Nor can I identify myself as a Greek allthough I lived in Greece since then.
The difficulty I believe is due to the fact that I have been influenced by
both the Albanian and Greek society.
It is Shqype's right to include some cities as Albanian even if the
one who downloaded the mode does not agree. He could have include New York if he wanted.
The mods are not meant to teach history. If you don't
like what he did, modify the files or do not download the mod.
Now something related to the mod itself.
I tried to download it but the 3ddownloads site reports
that the file is not there.
Could Shqype provide an other link?
Shqype
Shqyptar
Anakreon, you are very right in most of what you say, and many of your questions are excellent philosophical questions. You seem to have a very open mind and a generally objective stance on many things.
This new download that I have provided is the latest version of the mod for Warlords. If you don't have Warlords, and still request the vanilla version of the mod, just say so and I'll provide another upload for it.
The first post of this thread is updated to include the latest download for Warlords.
This new download that I have provided is the latest version of the mod for Warlords. If you don't have Warlords, and still request the vanilla version of the mod, just say so and I'll provide another upload for it.
The first post of this thread is updated to include the latest download for Warlords.
Nice to see this finally released! 
I was getting worried that I would have to remake Illyria myself. I have always liked the Illrian civ (maybe coz I made the UU
)
This new version looks great too. I love how the UB looks. But I would have liked to see animated leaderheads for both leaders, especially since there are animated ones in the CivGold version of Albania. But overall nice work!
Cheers
Aranor
I was getting worried that I would have to remake Illyria myself. I have always liked the Illrian civ (maybe coz I made the UU ) This new version looks great too. I love how the UB looks. But I would have liked to see animated leaderheads for both leaders, especially since there are animated ones in the CivGold version of Albania. But overall nice work!
Cheers
Aranor
deo
Emperor
Damn, its been probably half a year or more since I've played Civ the last time...
Shqype
Shqyptar
Thanks a lot for your comments Aranor. I'll look into the animated leaderheads. Yes, the UU still looks great 
Atdhe, long time no talk! I'm waiting for Kosova's independence before I release that civ, so you'd better make sure you still have CIV 4 installed
Atdhe, long time no talk! I'm waiting for Kosova's independence before I release that civ, so you'd better make sure you still have CIV 4 installed
Thanks a lot for your comments Aranor. I'll look into the animated leaderheads. Yes, the UU still looks great
Yes the UU still looks good, but it can be much better
take a look at my most recent work. The Kleruchoi would be the best example of what I can do. Just imagine how good your UU would look if it was redone
Shqype
Shqyptar
Well then what are you waiting for! Let's see what you can do
deo
Emperor
Atdhe, long time no talk! I'm waiting for Kosova's independence before I release that civ, so you'd better make sure you still have CIV 4 installed
Great!
Actually, I'm just waiting for the new expansion and I'll start playing immediately
just so u kno dey may ave been within serbian borders but they never changed hu dey were n if u ask what dey r dey wud neva say dey serbian cuz dey true albanians grl they speak albanian and ave all da albanian traditions dat albanians have just bcuz dey were sepereated long ago doesnt mean dey r less albanian dey da albanian dat live in albanian. kosovars wud neva say dey serbian cuz dey not u includin them into serbian cities means nothing because all those cities r kosovas cities whether yall like it or not
o n as for albanian nazi's there was no such thing because if albanians were nazi dey wud ave never protected jews hu went to albania for protection many albanians died protecting jews 90% fo da jews dat went to albania survived because albanians kept them hidden and looked after jews while as in serbia only 10% survived.
Shqype
Shqyptar
Kosovare, please use proper English grammar when posting on these forums.
Also, 100% of the Jews that went to Albania for protection survived. Albania is the only country in the world that managed to protect all of the Jews that got within its borders.
Also, 100% of the Jews that went to Albania for protection survived. Albania is the only country in the world that managed to protect all of the Jews that got within its borders.
im sorry thats how im used to writing and you may be right but my point was that if we were with nazi's those people would have never survived
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