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[Lefty Scaevola]

Originally posted by Alcibiaties of Athenae:<br /><strong>VooDoo Ace=Fool.</strong><hr></blockquote>

A little slow on the uptake, Chris, if you just now concluding this, but a least from what I see, he is growing at a resonable pace, and does make some effort to inform himself.

<img src="graemlins/hammer.gif" border="0" alt="[Hammer]" />

 

[Lefty Scaevola]

Also V-A does seem to be a little bit of a hot head, which can impact on how you are veiw by others. <br />And a free warning, Chris, if I ever deliberately make an opponent in a game, or other conflict, angry, IT IS A SMURFING TRAP that I am setting up.

[ September 16, 2001: Message edited by: Lefty Scaevola ]</p>

 

[Rangers, Lead the Way]

Originally posted by VoodooAce:<br />[QB]Just remember, however that if:

Those who disagree with AofA = Anit-American Scum

then

AofA = Nazi<hr></blockquote>

That's your spin, dear. The scum are those who are self-absorbed cowards, who tell us it's our fault, the little gutless vultures who hide behind their computer screens and say anyone who thinks this must be fought into the ground are mindless psychos.

You refer to AoA as a Nazi, asswipe? It was people like him and me that fought the Nazis. You can run your mouth like a pissy little girl because a whole generation of men better than you'll ever be fought to make sure that you had that right, that it wasn't taken from you and all our future generations, by two of the most murderous dictatorships ever to appear on the earth.

So don't you ever run your little ass again and fart out the word Nazi in our direction. Some time fairly soon, soldiers, marines, sailors and airmen are going to be dying fighting for your safety to simply travel in your own country or go to work, or simply to live your life free of the threat of mass murder and terrorism. Show some respect.

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I get the impression that if you disagree with some people in these forums, they condemn you to hey'lla.

I've disagreed with a lot of the hot-heads and they're enraged resposnes....such as SunTzu and his call to turn the M***** F***ing parking lot.<hr></blockquote>

So do a bunch of people, but they understand the feeling the hot head posts are coming from.

Don't blame anyone for being enraged, but we also must be rational. We must be.<hr></blockquote>

Some people's idea of "rational" is to run, or to get down and collectively chow down on bin Laden's dick and ask what can we do to not offend him any more. Some people's idea of "rational" is to withdraw from the whole world and hope those asswipes won't do it again. What is YOUR idea of "rational"?

I disagree with a lot both he and A of A have said, but I am just as loyal an American as anyone who posts here.<hr></blockquote>

So what are YOU prepared to do if they time comes to put that professed loyalty in action, in whatever form that action comes?

[ September 16, 2001: Message edited by: Rangers, Lead the Way ]</p>

 

[starlifter]

<br />by Woke23:

This may indeed not be the good time to rationalize the situation and talk about politics. I am just affraid for a nuclear holocaust.<br /> <hr></blockquote>

Perhaps it is time many people in the world quit fretting their lives away and being "afraid".

There comes a time when one must stand up for right and for principle, and be counted...

Though our history (America), tens of thousands of Americans have paid in blood for the liberties and prosperity we enjoy. In this century, America has paid the price for not only the destruction of several of the most despicable monsters in human history, but a shouldered good portion of the economic price of reconstruction, as well as the maintenance of freedom for 60 years.

Those of us in the US Military have, and will, ensure the freedom of America (and indeed, the Civilized world, whether the world likes it or not)... however, in the last week, both military and civilians (from many nations, BTW) have sacrificed in a way that has not been seen (even by our Military) in a single day since the American Civil War... not since the 1860's have so many Americans (and residents & visitors, BTW) been killed in one action. Not in two World Wars, not in the Korean War, and no, not in Vietnam.

And for those that may not know it, there are even worse methods of attack available to the terrorist than Nuclear. For example, ten pounds of anthrax... distributed from an open-cockpit biplane above the skies of Miami, Los Angeles, or New York can easily result in the deaths of several million men, women, children, and babies within two weeks. Imagine how easy it would be to transport and distribute such a small quantity of material... and there is virtually no way to interdict it.

So now is the time for all free citizens of the world to step up, and support... now and even 10 years from now... the eradication of any form of terrorist and terrorism throughout the world.

 

[starlifter]

<br />by Woke23:

It was me who complained to TF about you, because I felt violated in my freedom of speach about the matter.<br /><hr></blockquote>

That is good of you to take responsibility, Woke23.

For my 2 cents worth, I'll just point out that AoA has as much right to express his point of view as anyone else, moderator or not. Those that compare his comments to those of Nazis are not only shrill, but probably have little or no real knowledge of the depth of Nazi evil.

In any society, even America... there is not and never has been any such thing as complete freedom to speak... there are those that have the right and duty to shut certain views off... In a simple example, one cannot exercise the "Freedom of Speech" by yelling "FIRE!" in a theater, or yelling "This is a Hijacking" on an airliner, or "I have a bomb" at an airport. One must remember context, timing, and audience of speech (or writing).

In short, AoA has the right to express his thoughts and exercise his discretion. Others need not like it, but one should not provoke it either.

Many of us probably knew people harmed or killed in the events of last week, and many more of us may know dozens or hundreds more Americans (and even foriegn) people killed in actions and events of years past.

The world's attention and thinking has been crystalized and distilled by the events here in America, and the time is coming very soon for us to settle not only the debts of last week, but also of the USS Cole, Khobar Towers (A place I've been), Africa (ditto), Iraq (ditto), the Middle East (ditto), Egypt (ditto), Germany (ditto), the Philippines (ditto), Bosnia (ditto) ... ... ...

One day in the perhaps distant future, we in America (and the nations that choose to Ally with us) will make the world safe for future generations once again... to be sure, conflicts will likely not end, disputes will not evaporate, and politics will not melt away... but at the very least, the scourge of organized terrorism will be eradicated from the civlized world.

And in the meantime, those fighting the front line battles will not be the only casualties... as New York, Virginia, and Pennsylvania have shown us all... anyone and everyone is a potential combatant.

 

[starlifter]

<br />By Voodo Ace, posted September 16, 2001 04:58 PM: <br />Just remember, however that if:

Those who disagree with AofA = Anit-American Scum then

AofA = Nazi<br /><hr></blockquote>

You are ill-versed in logic, Ace. Among several other logic errors, yours is a faulty dilemna. I doubt you even know what a Nazi really is, much less the true evil a Nazi represents. BTW, you would not want to equate me to a Nazi (in person) and expect chew solid food for several months. On the other hand if you are truly a clueless moron who is loose with his words, I might just mash your face into a few books and force you to learn about the Nazis instead.

<br />I get the impression that if you disagree with some people in these forums, they condemn you to hey'lla.

I've disagreed with a lot of the hot-heads and they're enraged resposnes....such as SunTzu and his call to turn the M***** F***ing parking lot.

Don't blame anyone for being enraged, but we also must be rational. We must be.<br /><hr></blockquote>

Then you may be rational for two. As a jet pilot who has been in 3 wars and flown tens of thousands of people around this entire planet myself, I can vouch for the fact that flying passengers into buildings is not rational. Suicide is not rational. And terrorism is not rational (despite how some might try and distort/paint it).

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<br />I disagree with a lot both he and A of A have said, but I am just as loyal an American as anyone who posts here.<br /><hr></blockquote>

From you use of the Nazi label, I see you are indeed a loyal American, LOL ... but this is not a "loyalty" test. It's OK to have different views and disagree. Just don't be an ass, and have some context.

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<br />Nasty, rage-filled rhetoric does not equal patriotic American.<br /><hr></blockquote>

Again, non-sequitor logic. The converse you imply is irrelevant to your point. Said another way, it is perfectly valid (and many doctors would also say healthy) for one to be enraged... American or not. Indeed, if one is not at least somewhat enraged by last Tuesday's events, one should probably embrace bin Laden and hump his camel <img src="icon12.gif" border="0"> .

So if you or anyone else wants to be an ass and stir the pot... pick a different subject or pick a different Forum.

 

[SunTzu]

I'm gonna say it again for the Forum Nazi(VoodooAce) We need and are going to turn that whole ****ing place into a mother ****ing parking lot.<br />You who disagree with us and criticize are reactions don't know ****. Your country wasn't attacked. 5,000+ of your countrymen and women weren't killed. Revenge is necessary and will be taken.

 

[starlifter]

<br />By SunTzu, posted September 16, 2001 10:05 PM: <br />...<br />You who disagree with us and criticize are reactions don't know ****. Your country wasn't attacked. 5,000+ of your countrymen and women weren't killed. Revenge is necessary and will be taken.<br /> <hr></blockquote>

To be fair, the attack was really an attack not just on America, but all civilized countries and peoples of the world. And it will turn out, when the bean counters are through, that probably 20% or more of the dead and wounded are in fact citizens of other countries... such as Britain, Canada, Pakistan, India, Germany, and very likely even some Middle east countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia.

About revenge... when we (the US Military) serve it up, it will be a dish served cold. But revenge really isn't the long-term sustaining motivation of most of the officers and enlisted I know. Though I'm a pilot and probably won't plunge a bayonette into a terrorist throat and give it a twist as I listen to the gurgle of life blood oozing from the throat of the enemy, I don't think revenge will be in the forefront of my thoughts should that event come to pass sometime in the future. I think I'll view it more as a necessary extermination to rid the world of a pestilence, rather than revenge. Likely, even that will be tempered with the knowledge that American (and Allied) soldiers have been wounded and killed in the process.

But war is a terrible thing... which is what make it something to be avoided until provoked. And once again, sadly, as in years past, America has been provoked into war... the Sleeping Giant has be rudly awakened and filled with a terrible resolve.

 

[SunTzu]

YEs on the news, they said that 150 Germans are missing at WTC, 100 French, Russians, Italians, English and Spanish. It added up to being something like 800 missing from these countries.<br />I doubt any other countries are going to commit a considerable military presence to the war.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by SunTzu:<br /><strong>I'm gonna say it again for the Forum Nazi(VoodooAce) We need and are going to turn that whole ****ing place into a mother ****ing parking lot.<br />You who disagree with us and criticize are reactions don't know ****. Your country wasn't attacked. 5,000+ of your countrymen and women weren't killed. Revenge is necessary and will be taken.</strong><hr></blockquote>

I find this incredibly funny. You call HIM a Forum Nazi.. yet all he tried to do is offer a differing opinion. He wasn't even being beligerant about it - just stating how he felt. He's kept a level head and many other Americans have personally attacked him. So many other Americans in here have been viciously attacking people for expressing opinions.. yet they call VOODOO a fool.

As for turning Afghanistan into a "parking lot". You have the soul of a murderer and the mind of a small child. If and when your country does that... I wish that you could be there Sun Tzu so that the bombs can rain down on YOUR head.

Better the life of a hot head lunatic that wishes to kill civilians than an innocent Afghan citizen.

 

[RedWolf]

Originally posted by starlifter:<br /><strong><br />I doubt you even know what a Nazi really is, much less the true evil a Nazi represents. BTW, you would not want to equate me to a Nazi (in person) and expect chew solid food for several months. <br /></strong><hr></blockquote>

This is why the world has so many problems with so many Americans. It's this attitude that so typifies their bahaviour (especially on this forum)

"You don't agree with me.. or have offended me? Well then I have the right to smash you in the face!!!"

 

[SunTzu]

Nice response, Red. I've enjoyed playing with you all....

[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: SunTzu ]</p>

 

[starlifter]

<br />posted September 16, 2001 11:52 PM

----------------<br />quote: Originally posted by starlifter:

I doubt you even know what a Nazi really is, much less the true evil a Nazi represents. BTW, you would not want to equate me to a Nazi (in person) and expect chew solid food for several months. <br />-----------------

This is why the world has so many problems with so many Americans. It's this attitude that so typifies their bahaviour (especially on this forum) "You don't agree with me.. or have offended me? Well then I have the right to smash you in the face!!!" <br /> <hr></blockquote>

This is why the world has so many problems communicating... the deliberate distortions such as you voice bear no semblence to reality. I never said nor did I remotely imply that I'd do anyone harm for disagreeing with me, or for that matter, America.

As you well know despite your pedantic post, my point was that if someone was rational, and knew what a Nazi was, yet dared call me a Nazi to my face (as opposed to calling AoA a Nazi whilst lurking in the shadows of the Internet), the response might just be physical. This a personal commentary, and not presented as something American... I'll wager you can hack off a type A personality male in just about any culture and get a physical response... it has nothing to do with being American.

But then, some people around the world tend to look harder for differences and reasons to stir the pot, like you are doing, and add to the inflamation... rather than look to commonalities and constructive things.

Perhaps paradoxically, I've found the militaries of the world to be, in many ways, the most tolerant representstives of their nations. BTW, as an American, I've served with members of about 20 foriegn militaries, including German, English, Italian, French, Norwegian, Dutch, Egytpian, Saudi Arabian, Kuwaiti, Portugese, Spanish, Greek, Belgian, Turk, Russian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Polish, Australian, New Zealander, Japanese, Philippino, and South Korean. Fortunately, most (if not all) the people I've worked with have been of great quality... and would look forward to serving with them again. And ironically, that day may be fast approaching <img src="icon12.gif" border="0"> .

 

[SunTzu]

BTW, as an American, I've served with members of about 20 foriegn militaries, including German, English, Italian, French, Norwegian, Dutch, Egytpian, Saudi Arabian, Kuwaiti, Portugese, Spanish, Greek, Belgian, Turk, Russian, Georgian, Ukrainian, Polish, Australian, New Zealander, Japanese, Philippino, and South Korean. Fortunately, most (if not all) the people I've worked with have been of great quality... and would look forward to serving with them again. And ironically, that day may be fast approaching <hr></blockquote>

I don't think you'll be serving Star. They want people to serve under the age of 50 <img src="icon12.gif" border="0">

 

[starlifter]

<br />by SunTzu:

I don't think you'll be serving Star. They want people to serve under the age of 50<br /> <hr></blockquote>

<img src="confused.gif" border="0">

That's an odd comment. I'm still under 40 at the moment, LOL. And I already do serve (USAF)... I'm in the reserves at this time. Last week, I talked with several gov't offices about the immediate need for engineers which the media broadcast (I'm an engineer by education and USAF experience). However, they are more interested in pilots right now, even though that call up has not occurred yet. I'll likely leave the civilian sector to return to full time service when the need for heavy airlift and/or Europe/Middle East/Asia experience increases.

And BTW, 50 is not a cutoff, especially for the reserves. But all pilots must pass the same physical and mental standards, regardless of age. <img src="icon12.gif" border="0">

[ September 17, 2001: Message edited by: starlifter ]</p>