Another terrorist attack in London

[Timsup2nothin]

In a recent case in Germany, a man called the police about his girlfriend being raped by a black man with a machete. The first thing the woman at the telephone did, was ask him whether he's trolling her, and after he told her that he's not, she said that she'll send a few officiers. That's where the call was ended by the woman, she didn't tell him what to do, so he stood there, not knowing whether he should go help his girlfriend or not risk his own life, or whatever.

Clearly, she's either a completely incompetent idiot who doesn't know how to react when a rape is being reported, or she's a completely incompetent idiot who didn't believe him.

Such cases are rather rare of course, and not the default as which some people try to paint them, but they do exist.

While it is a completely sideline issue...

Ladies, if you are someone's girlfriend and in the event of you being raped they need to call someone and ask them what to do you need to find a new boyfriend.

In defense of the 911 operator I would be hard pressed to believe a caller was for real in that situation myself.

 

[Ryika]

Ladies, if you are someone's girlfriend and in the event of you being raped they need to call someone and ask them what to do you need to find a new boyfriend.

That's pretty sexist.

In defense of the 911 operator I would be hard pressed to believe a caller was for real in that situation myself.

Case in point then.

Needless to say, the reaction against her was a public outcry, and the police admitted that her behavior was pathetic and wrong.

 

[Kozmos]

That's pretty sexist.

How? If you can't trust your partner to intervene when you are physically assaulted, it sounds like common sense to me.

 

[Ryika]

How? If you can't trust your partner to intervene when you are physically assaulted, it sounds like common sense to me.

So if the man is the one being raped and held down with a machete, you would say: "If the girl doesn't move in and put her own life at risk, you need to find a new girlfriend."?

 

[Kyriakos]

^Ehm, i assume he called the police to ask them to send officers around. What advice would he be expecting to hear? Would you call to ask what you should do, or to ask for officers to arrive?!

 

[red_elk]

The problem is that there are idiots who indeed troll police and rescue services with false reports.
We also had the case when 112 operator dismissed the call from a child who called and said they are drowning in the lake.
She thought it was a joke, but it wasn't.

 

[Kyriakos]

The police are at fault? Really? The police neutralized the targets in 8 minutes. That's pretty damn good. The problem is Islamic extremism. Why do people go out of their way to blame the wrong group of people? It's victim blaming.

How is it good that they killed all of the criminals instead of arresting them and getting them to talk? They were out of their van, and had only knives. Britain didn't use to be USA in regards to arresting people and getting them to give info on whether they were working for an organization or are just plain crazy.
Now there is no confession to take, and so no info atm on what those people were (loners/crazy or part of some cell).

 

[Senethro]

How is it good that they killed all of the criminals instead of arresting them and getting them to talk? They were out of their van, and had only knives. Britain didn't use to be USA in regards to arresting people and getting them to give info on whether they were working for an organization or are just plain crazy.
Now there is no confession to take, and so no info atm on what those people were (loners/crazy or part of some cell).

Yeah I can't fault police for shooting people wearing fake suicide vests.

 

[Kyriakos]

Yeah I can't fault police for shooting people wearing fake suicide vests.

Well, good on the police for observing the fake suicide vests in the dark, then. What was this assessment based on?

 

[Ryika]

^Ehm, i assume he called the police to ask them to send officers around. What advice would he be expecting to hear? Would you call to ask what you should do, or to ask for officers to arrive?!

The police is generally advised to tell you how you should react, yes, even if it's only to tell you to stay calm and don't do anything.
The reason for that is simple: It gives you some stability, you go from: "OMG OMG SHOULD I MOVE IN OR NOT?!?!" to "Okay, okay. This is bad, but police told me to not step in.", which is still a terrible situation to be in, but keeps you from throwing your life away.

I mean maybe sensibilities are different in Greece, but in Germany, there was a media uproar because of the story, and the police themselves called her behavior unacceptable.

 

[EnglishEdward]

How is it good that they killed all of the criminals instead of arresting them and getting them to talk?

What do you think they are going to say; provide names and addresses of fellow teams targeting Edinburgh next week and Cardiff the week after.

Saves on tax payers money not being spent on lawyers.

 

[Disgustipated]

So... Is it time to discuss giving English their own version of the 2nd amendment? That would have stopped this attack in a hurry.

Of course I realize it would also make it very easy for the terrorists to also get those weapons.

 

[Kyriakos]

What do you think they are going to say; provide names and addresses of fellow teams targeting Edinburgh next week and Cardiff the week after.

Saves on tax payers money not being spent on lawyers.

Well, wouldn't interrogation have as an end to establish whether those three were loners or parts of a cell? Now all you have is hype and politicians with their glass orb. Not seeing why the chance to arrest and examine what this was should be missed and then applauded for being missed.

The police is generally advised to tell you how you should react, yes, even if it's only to tell you to stay calm and don't do anything.
The reason for that is simple: It gives you some stability, you go from: "OMG OMG SHOULD I MOVE IN OR NOT?!?!" to "Okay, okay. This is bad, but police told me to not step in.", which is still a terrible situation to be in, but keeps you from throwing your life away.

I mean maybe sensibilities are different in Greece, but in Germany, there was a media uproar because of the story, and the police themselves called her behavior unacceptable.

Yes, Germany historically as well as now has been more of a sensible and caring place. That said, if you want to ask whether you should try to attack a person with a machete or not, you deserve a Darwin award. People call for police to arrive in such a case, not being told they should not drop the phone and this time handle this themselves.

 

[Kozmos]

So if the man is the one being raped and held down with a machete, you would say: "If the girl doesn't move in and put her own life at risk, you need to find a new girlfriend."?

Yeah, pretty much. I don't dig women who aren't ready to personally fight for what they care for. If I had my back held by guys I was only 'okay kinda friends' with in situations where we were guaranteed an excessive ass-kicking I'd expect no less from my partner. I mean we can maybe make qualifiers for guns or suicide vests, but cold weapons is a go.

 

[Synobun]

So... Is it time to discuss giving English their own version of the 2nd amendment? That would have stopped this attack in a hurry.

When have gun-toting private citizens reliably prevented mass-shootings? America is rife with multiple fatality shootings every single year, doesn't seem to be doing you guys any favours to have some people carrying a pea shooter in their belt.

 

[Flying Pig]

When have gun-toting private citizens reliably prevented mass-shootings? America is rife with multiple fatality shootings every single year, doesn't seem to be doing you guys any favours to have some people carrying a pea shooter in their belt.

It may be worth noting that in this incident - where a small number of highly trained professionals handled it - a bystander was shot in the head. Fortunately, he was not critically injured.

 

[innonimatu]

Yeah, pretty much. I don't dig women who aren't ready to personally fight for what they care for. If I had my back held by guys I was only 'okay kinda friends' with in situations where we were guaranteed an excessive ass-kicking I'd expect no less from my partner. I mean we can maybe make qualifiers for guns or suicide vests, but cold weapons is a go.

Sure Lord Jim.

I was actually surprised by some reports from this incident, as in that during the whole confusion a few people did fight to defend themselves or others. Good to know but I don't expect that to be the norm.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So if the man is the one being raped and held down with a machete, you would say: "If the girl doesn't move in and put her own life at risk, you need to find a new girlfriend."?

Yes.

In my opinion a rape in progress is a kill or die situation. It doesn't matter to me if the victim is my gf, male, or someone I don't even know. I am very confident about what my response to that situation would be, and calling an operator to ask what I should do isn't it. I am pretty much astonished that it would be anyone's. So, yes, if I were the operator I would be hard pressed to take such a caller seriously, especially if they were claiming the victim was someone close to them, like a gf.

 

[luiz]

Sure Lord Jim.

I was actually surprised by some reports from this incident, as in that during the whole confusion a few people did fight to defend themselves or others. Good to know but I don't expect that to be the norm.

Yeah I read some reports about people throwing their beer glasses and chairs at the terrorists, which is very admirable if true. But we can't really expect untrained civilians to fight back as a norm (though I do believe we will see more and more of it).

 

[Timsup2nothin]

So... Is it time to discuss giving English their own version of the 2nd amendment? That would have stopped this attack in a hurry.

Bull. Give a gun to a dithering whine-bag and all you get is a dithering whine-bag with a gun. The gun lobby in America promotes cry babies shooting people in masses when they 'snap,' not intervention by sensible citizens...because sensible citizens don't need to be pushed into intervening when necessary.