Antifa rocks!

[Lexicus]

Can you quote/copy-paste from the article? Cause that site asks to install around 5000 tracking cookies

https://www.azcentral.com/story/new...ms-says-he-threatened-teens-music/1657727001/

Maybe a better site? Idk

A man arrested on suspicion of killing a 17-year-old boy in a Peoria Circle K says he killed the teenager, who did not say or do anything to threaten him, because he was listening to rap music, police said.

The suspect, 27-year-old Michael Paul Adams, admitted to stabbing the teenager at about 1:42 a.m. Thursday after he heard him playing rap music in his vehicle in the Circle K parking lot, according to police records filed in Superior Court.

Adams had just been released from the Arizona State Prison Complex in Yuma on Tuesday, according to the Arizona Department of Corrections.

Adams told police rap music makes him feel "unsafe" because he had been attacked by people who listen to rap music in the past, the records state. He also said people who listen to rap music are a threat to him and the community.

The suspect said he felt threatened by the music — not the teen himself — so he needed to be "proactive rather than reactive," police records said.

Surveillance footage shows the teen walking into the convenience store and Adams walking in a few seconds later. Adams walked around the store before lunging at the teen, according to records.

To me this does look like mental illness played a role...I wouldn't deny the role of white supremacy of course but I think there are more dimensions to this. Obviously significant is the fact that he was released from prison two days before the attack...there is an opportunity here to talk about how prisons are totally failing to rehabilitate people (and in fact, the more time people spend in prison the more likely they are to be rearrested). It just seems like this reflects really bad failures in the prison system as well as racist hatred.

 

[Rashiminos]

Link to video.

Any word on his prison affiliations, or is Cloud just shooting in the dark there?

 

[Lexicus]

Any word on his prison affiliations, or is Cloud just shooting in the dark there?

We don't need to know anything about his prison affiliations. That he said people who listen to rap music are a threat to his community is enough to know he is a white supremacist.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

That's not true is it.

 

[Lexicus]

That's not true is it.

Yeah, it is, Mr. So-Obtuse-About-Racism-It-Is-Often-Indistinguishable-From-Trolling

 

[Rashiminos]

Not at all.

 

[Kyriakos]

We don't need to know anything about his prison affiliations. That he said people who listen to rap music are a threat to his community is enough to know he is a white supremacist.

Was he including white people who listen to rap?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

It's clearly not. At the most it would indicate he's racist, not a white supremacist. Unless we're now supposed to be using those terms interchangeably? If we are we're just diluting language though.

Also, you would seem to be implying that only black people listen to rap music. Which is surely just a stereotype (and therefore racist [and therefore white supremacist]).

 

[Lexicus]

He is the one implying only black people listen to rap music. Again. Obtuse.

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Well, you're definitely inferring it. Not the same thing though.

 

[Kyriakos]

He is the only implying only black people listen to rap music. Again. Obtuse.

Is that mentioned in the article, though?
It seems to say he was afraid of people listening to rap music. He didn't say "I was afraid of black people". Rap usually has gangsta-themes and it can attract people (of any "race") who at least show off as if they are in a gang (despite not being in one). Likewise, in the 80s metal used to have a bad rep.
Obviously there are a few white rappers too.

 

[Lexicus]

>playing RPG called "Life"
>select race of my character
>"white"
>white special ability: endless rationalizations to deny the existence of racism even when it's three inches from their nose

 

[Manfred Belheim]

I don't think anyone's denying the existence of racism, just denying your omniscience.

(also thanks for confirming you're using "racist" and "white supremacist" interchangeably. I suppose that's yet another thing we all have to mentally translate whenever we see it. Good going.)

 

[Rashiminos]

He is the one implying only black people listen to rap music. Again. Obtuse.

When?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Yeah, it is, Mr. So-Obtuse-About-Racism-It-Is-Often-Indistinguishable-From-Trolling

The cruelty and indifference is the point.

Don't worry I'm sure it's just another coincidence that Manfred finds himself running defence for racists

 

[Manfred Belheim]

Honestly this is why it's virtually pointless talking to you. You can't represent anything honestly (even to the point of calling a 17 year old a "child"). I'm obviously not defending this guy since I've categorically stated (as if it even needed to be said) that I don't agree with stabbing people to death for playing rap music. Hang the guy from the nearest tree for all I care. What I disagree with is:

a) That you can 100% definitively state that when he says "people who listen to rap music" he means "all black people", and
b) That "white supremacist" and "racist" are the same thing.

Once again, stop taking my disagreement with your disingenuousness as a defence of those you're being disingenuous about.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

No you just have this strange habit of trying to gatekeep what is and what isn't racism, as well as trying to argue that there's any functional difference between white supremacists and racists.

 

[Peuri]

The cruelty and indifference is the point.
[...]

Here you are interpreting malice to people's intentions. Perfectly normal human thing to do. I've probably done it plenty of times here too, not saying you are particularly at fault or anything, and if I do it, please point it out. But. Cruelty and indifference may be the end result of their actions for sure, but I don't think many people would say that they ascribe to a world view that holds cruelty as the end goal. Quite the opposite, that's why genocides are peceded by dehumanization of the target population, because people need to feel vindicated in their feeling of righteousness in enacting the violence, for example. Hell, even 19th century colonization was masked as an humanitarian effort of civilizing "the brutes" etc.

One could perhaps even say that what you are here doing is dehumanizing your opponents (whom ever they are), by interpreting their intentions as evil, which is really a rather rare thing in humans, I'd say. And yes, you are doing it for goals that you see as good, and they are more eviller than you most likely and a threat to your life, and here I am asking for understanding "literal Nazis" etc. etc., and their actions probably result in inequity, but most like they don't see it that way. And that is the politic point to strike: make them see their double standard. Just saying, "yeah, they're evil" won't dissuade anyone. Sure it'll make you and your tribe feel good about yourselves, but what use is that if your goal is peace and understanding?

 

[Manfred Belheim]

No you just have this strange habit of trying to gatekeep what is and what isn't racism, as well as trying to argue that there's any functional difference between white supremacists and racists.

Nope. As clearly stated several times, I'm disagreeing with the veracity of you definitively identifying racism from a couple of statements in a news article that don't directly indicate it, not what racism actually is (also if you feel just as entitled to state what is and isn't racism then you clearly see yourself as just as much of a "gatekeeper" as I do, so this is a meaningless statement). And they are clearly different things. One is a subset of the other.

 

[Rashiminos]

No you just have this strange habit of trying to gatekeep what is and what isn't racism, as well as trying to argue that there's any functional difference between white supremacists and racists.

Depends on what use your particular definition of racism is supposed to serve. There are advantages to a definition that cannot be refuted, but ending racism isn't among them.

By the way, while all white supremacists are racists, not all racists are white supremacists, usually because they're either not white or not supremacists.