Cloud_Strife
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Maybe the guy who consistantly defends the rights and dignity of bigots at the expense of minorities might not be interested in the wellbeing of the latter, or is that such a crazy thought?
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Manfred Belheim
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Hmm that's a weird one. So a parent should never refer to their own children as "my children" once they hit 18?
Manfred Belheim
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I love you respond to my criticisms of things you actually say, with criticisms of things you think I believe (i.e. that you make up), and somehow still think you're doing the better argumentation.
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It is a bit weird isn't it.
"Why do you keep calling that apple an orange when it isn't an orange?"
"Well you'd probably call it a disgusting homosexual deviant wouldn't you!!!"
"Well... no... and I haven't done. Where are you getting this stuff from?"
"Oh well of course you wouldn't admit it would you! I know your sort!"
"Okay Mr Rational, I'll just walk away now and hide all the sharp objects."
Cloud_Strife
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Defending the rights and dignity of bigots to own the libs
Manfred Belheim
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Constantly typing "X to own the libs" to avoid actually dealing with any criticism in an honest manner.
Lexicus
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[Galaxy brain] Being a bigot to own the libs
Manfred Belheim
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You also consistently misrepresent everything I say and just keep saying the same drivel over and over. Once more for fun, I'm criticising you and attacking your standards of behaviour, not just defending bigots for fun.
But yes, bigots do still actually have rights. You're quite clearly a bigot and I think you should still have rights too.
Cloud_Strife
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Get a load of this guy eh? Same one who thinks being intolerant of intolerance is somehow equally as bad as being bigoted towards minorities
He loves minorities so much he thinks bigots should be able to sling their filth around freely, as well as being able to march and demonstrate through their neighbourhoods.
The same guy who can't wrap his head around the fact that the rights of bigots comes at the expense of minorities, which he thinks isn't that bad in comparison to bigots not being able to demonstrate without antifa getting involve.
He's happy for minorities to pay the price, but it upsets him when fascists aren't allowed to protest freely, clearly his priorities are in order.
Like imagine defending Nambla or some equally disgusting organisation and then being shocked as to why people would criticise you for it
He loves minorities so much he thinks bigots should be able to sling their filth around freely, as well as being able to march and demonstrate through their neighbourhoods.
The same guy who can't wrap his head around the fact that the rights of bigots comes at the expense of minorities, which he thinks isn't that bad in comparison to bigots not being able to demonstrate without antifa getting involve.
He's happy for minorities to pay the price, but it upsets him when fascists aren't allowed to protest freely, clearly his priorities are in order.
Like imagine defending Nambla or some equally disgusting organisation and then being shocked as to why people would criticise you for it
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Rashiminos
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How did you wrap your own head around that idea?
Cloud_Strife
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I have to live with the consequences of bigots being empowered.
Rashiminos
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Do you not also have to live with the consequences of minorities being empowered?
Cloud_Strife
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In what way does allowing bigots and bigotry to flourish empower minorities?
In what world, in what universe, in what reality?
Yeah, it could be possible of course that all that is true. But jumping into that conclusion, just because it seems to fit your own world view, is bound to just reinforce the correctness of your perception of your world view. That's normal, it's what ideology does to our brains, one interprets things that might not fit perfectly into it, into fitting into it. But I guess that flows naturally too from the sort of "if you're not with us, you're against us" sort of mentality that you seem to support.
Manfred even said that they would have put the clerck in jail. That should count for something, shouldn't it? Or perhaps they just said it as a smokescreen (ideological dodging). And they failed to sufficiently signal their disapproval of the murderous act, by breaking the taboo of "blaming the victim".
It's kind of like Robin DiAngelo's theory of "white fragility". It's a hermetically sealed world view where claims by people that would speak against (her conception of) "white supremacy", are treated as evidence of "white supremacy" by being instances of "white fragility". Why I called it "religious" is because it's the same mechanism as in beliefs about demonology and witchcraft. Why does the opponent disagree? Well, he's clearly possessed by Satan.
Rashiminos
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Trivially, this one. Minority is very much a numerical comparison, semantically.
Less trivially, it's not at all apparent that non-bigoted minorities can segregate systemic attacks on bigots from also hitting them. Censorship isn't as discriminatory as you'd like it to be.
Manfred Belheim
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Once again you're putting words in my mouth. I just said you were a bigot, I made no qualitative comparison.
Actually I love people having rights and not being attacked so much that yes, I think they should have rights and not be attacked. People should be allowed to voice their opinions, and yes people should be (shock horror) allowed to walk around in public if they want to. The "through their neighbourhoods" part has literally never come up in any of our discussions, so that would be another thing you're just pulling out of thin air.
Well you're a bigot and a minority, so how does that work? But yes the right of people to speak freely does obviously come at the expense of other people being exposed to opinions and ideas they don't want to hear. The former is more important though.
To pay the price of hearing things they don't want to hear yes. And the price of not being given free reign to physically attack people as they see fit. How utterly fascistic of me. (That was a joke by the way, before you later go on to claim that I "literally stated he was a fascist" or whatever similar trick you might pull.)
Yes, by all means imagine that, like you keep imagining all the other things that I haven't said. Given that I just had to google what that even was, you can just add that to the pile of things you can't actually lay at my doorstep but keep repeatedly trying to do so anyway.
Senethro
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Whats the difference between being bigoted against nazis versus having a healthy skepticism against groups who think you would be better off dead?
Rashiminos
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"Kick me" signs.
If this is a comment towards me: by all means, think ill of Nazis. I think ill of actual Nazis too, I just question the implicit leap that I saw being made here that because Manfred doesn't agree with every position being put forward, he must indeed be a sort of crypto-Nazi.
Cloud_Strife
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It's not that he doesn't agree, it's that he actively defends bigots rights.
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