Antifa rocks!

[Broken_Erika]

The calls for violence are already falling on receptive ears. When fascists beat people, I want them clubbed into submission with the power of the state. When a batman wannabe extremist hero shows up, I want him clubbed into submission by the power of the state.

Unless it's the real batman. Then it's cool.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

As if the wealthy enough to be blind wind up in police families, Cloud.

So what? Why do you respect an insitution that isrife with bigotry and selective policing? Where their own members can kill people in extremely dubious circumstances and recieve little to no punishment at all?

Do the police need to abuse you before you begin to realize that they do not really have our best interests at heart? That their respect of our rights is circumstantial, based entirely upon who we are, how much money we have, the pigment of our skin, etc.

 

[Farm Boy]

Try standing for something less popular with the authoritarians. As in actually standing for it, not just quietly thinking it might be okay. In fairly short order I suspect that you will be noticing less "good work" being done every day.

They generally think I'm hard on people.

So what? Why do you respect an insitution that isrife with bigotry and selective policing? Where their own members can kill people in extremely dubious circumstances and recieve little to no punishment at all?

And yet, I still like violence less than you seem to.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

They generally think I'm hard on people.

Who is this "they," and what people do they think you are "hard on"?

 

[Farm Boy]

Telecommunications and patrol, mopes and officers. Respectively.

But you're right. I'm not physically out pounding on anyone or routinely threatening them with such for social of monetary gain. So it's a weird opinion to hold, so far as I can determine.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

These aren't isolated instances, it's a pattern and until white, moderate America gets it's collective head out of it's ass about the very real and very dangerous issue of policing, nothing will change.

And yet, I still like violence less than you seem to.

You have no problem with the state doing it, i merely wish to extend it to citizens, for defensive reasons. Do you take issue with that?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Telecommunications and patrol, mopes and officers. Respectively.

I'm trying to interpret here.

It seems like you are saying that the actual cops in your family think you are "too hard" on cops. Is that what you are saying? Because if it is it pretty much says it all. If even you aren't supportive enough of "cops should have no limits" for their tastes, then they are at least as dangerous as Cloud believes.

 

[Farm Boy]

I have no problem with the state doing it?

I don't support the right of force for citizens to use force defensively after a duty to retreat?

Have you scrolled back 10 posts? Imma drop you like a hot potato in this conversation if this goes on.

No, Tim. Mostly the point out they already wind up smashed in various physical ways attempting to deal with drunks and belligerent husband and angry little dorks without wasting them. Then wind up circling around to the fact that calls are messy and I can't just wish we'd lock up until we bury every apparent arsewad that winds up in routine domestics.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

So why are you accusing me of liking violence more if i'm merely adopting the same standards as you?

Is it because i am more vocal about it? Because i violate decorum?

 

[Farm Boy]

Duty to retreat. Stand your ground laws are an abomination and might as well be sanctioned murder. Zimmerman should be rotting in jail.

But yes, the cross of decorum. <poof!>

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The key difference seems to revolve around that "duty to retreat." Cloud, if you would just do your duty and retreat from your positions that clash with the authoritarians and let fascism run its course then there wouldn't be any problem here.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Effectively the centrist position is inaction by any other word, of which i and others don't have the priviledge or luxary of doing, perhaps certain people in this thread think they do but as history shows there will eventually be a clash between fascists and non fascists, pray to god that it happens when the former isn't already in power.

 

[Farm Boy]

Statist fools, eh?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Have accurate translations driven you into deeper language holes?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Statist fools, eh?

Am i a libertarian? I don't think i am, in fact i'm probably closer to a liberal than an anarchist.

I'm just pointing out the facts Farm Boy and if you don't like them feel free to ignore them.

Most of America already does.

 

[Peuri]

Ok. So the state is already effectively fascist in this story of yours. How is it that you plan on removing the fascists from power, exactly?

I can understand that having the trollmaster-in-chief as your president must suck, I can understand that the Republicans have been blocking welfare reforms, there is all that isms/phobias going on in Americs and I can understand that you personally feel threthened by the alt-right. But from the bottom of my heart I do not believe that there is a serious threat from Trump to the US democracy, and left wing escalation will not help you at all getting towards the path of welfare reforms through electoral means. I hope I'm wrong, Bernie 2020, and all that.

All these narratives just feed escalation. It's sad, really. This is exactly why the language of "white supremacy" etc. to describe the current situation is bad. While true that there exists inequalities, the narrative takes a life of it's own, feeding itself from the trickle of news from here and there, some of which is even false or misleading, and creating a counter-reaction on the other side. In all honesty, I think you are being played, by no one in particular but by the nature of the emerging narratives and the language used, like the members of the online alt-right are in interpreting what is actually going on.

 

[Farm Boy]

Have accurate translations driven you into deeper language holes?

Just trying to meet you where you're at, Tim.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Ok. So the state is already effectively fascist in this story of yours. How is it that you plan on removing the fascists from power, exactly?

I can understand that having the trollmaster-in-chief as your president must suck, I can understand that the Republicans have been blocking welfare reforms, there is all that isms/phobias going on in Americs and I can understand that you personally feel threthened by the alt-right. But from the bottom of my heart I do not believe that there is a serious threat from Trump to the US democracy, and left wing escalation will not help you at all getting towards the path of welfare reforms through electoral means. I hope I'm wrong, Bernie 2020, and all that.

All these narratives just feed escalation. It's sad, really. This is exactly why the language of "white supremacy" etc. to describe the current situation is bad. While true that there exists inequalities, the narrative takes a life of it's own, feeding itself from the trickle of news from here and there, some of which is even false or misleading. In all honesty, I think you are being played, by no one in particular but by the nature of the emerging narratives and the language used, like the members of the online alt-right are in interpreting what is actually going on.

Your opinions on this topic have as much value to me as a cisman telling a ciswoman what period pain is like and just as far removed from reality.

Your calls for inaction and civility do nothing when people are already suffering and dying at the hands of these fascists in whatever guise they take, with or without state backing, as they have for years. In fact all it does is aid the oppressors and puts the burden on the victims to suffer what they must until the majority magically decide to do something, which is usually a sign that fascism has grown too powerful.

The deaths of these people aren't "false" or "fake news" they are real and just because you have the luck of being no-where near the action doesn't mean your opinion is equal to mine or even valid.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Just trying to meet you where you're at, Tim.

Oh. Don't.

 

[Farm Boy]

Respect should at least be mirrored and returned.