Apple vs PC

[Thoughtful Thug]

XP was also the last version which could be easily pirated. It should remain quite popular for quite some time for that reason alone.

Window 7 Ultimate x32 is the most pirated OS right now. The most popular torrent for Windows is the DriverPack Solutions 11 x32 and x64, which has a GNU GPL license.

 

[aelf]

You pay for that. I don't know of any vendor that freely offers it unless they factor it into the price. MS doesn't give that away any more than they do their OS.

I never had to buy MS Office. My current version (Office 2007) came with my laptop when I bought the latter last year. If they factored it into the price, my laptop was still much better bang for the buck than an equivalent Macbook (though I don't know if there's a Macbook that was comparable at that time - I bought the laptop with games in mind, so I didn't really look at Macbooks, though I noted that their prices were high for their specs).

 

[timtofly]

If they are compared to cars, it seems to me like Macs are like Aston Martin or a similar brand of car and PCs like all other cars, including the bad, cheap ones.

I never used a Mac, so I don't know how well they work, but when hearing people talk about them Macs come off as something that never goes wrong, has no faults, value for money and does everything you want from it and more, especially if you are into making music or graphics. The only advantage PCs used to have was games, but that's not true anymore now that almost every game now has a Mac version or a way to get it to work on a Mac. Sometimes they make it sound like the Mac is some kind of holy relic with magical properties.

If anything a Mac is like a cell phone, you use it till it is obsolete or no longer serves a purpose and then get a new one. In that business model and Graphics is where Apple succeeded. They do fill a niche. The iphone and ipad were just greater extensions of the technology in a smaller package.

 

[Lillefix]

I never had to buy MS Office.

I would say that you were forced to buy MS Office.

But that's just my point of view.

 

[aelf]

You mean you were forced to buy MS Office.

But that's just my point of view.

Well, what I meant was I didn't have to go and buy it. If I minded that it came with the package, I might have decided otherwise, but I didn't. Anyway, don't cut out this part:

If they factored it into the price, my laptop was still much better bang for the buck than an equivalent Macbook (though I don't know if there's a Macbook that was comparable at that time - I bought the laptop with games in mind, so I didn't really look at Macbooks, though I noted that their prices were high for their specs).

 

[Zelig]

And I've responded at length about how I found the perception to be justified.

Well, at this point it doesn't matter much anymore, since we all agree that Win7 is good, and XP is old.

Having worked with both I disagree. Since I usually do mathematical stuff I use Latex most of the time, so I am not really passionate about it. But since they introduced the new UI I find MS-Office to be superior in most regards.

Yeah, LibreOffice is fine for the average person who just types up some documents, makes some slideshows and a few spreadsheet tables, but for serious work, MS Office is a much more complete package.

 

[illram]

I have to use both OpenOffice and MS Office and I have to say the little things MS Office does that OpenOffice doesn't are annoying. I greatly prefer MS Office.

 

[Luckymoose]

I use a macbook pro as my Windows PC, where does that place me?

 

[Thoughtful Thug]

Unique... maybe insane?

 

[Zelig]

I refer to my Macbook Pro as my "Apple laptop" since it seems to annoy Apple users.

 

[Hehehe]

Apples and oranges. Mac is good for people who do artsy stuff (music, graphic design etc.), older people and hipsters. Personally I'm not a really big fan of apple. Whenever I use a mac I just get frustrated at the lack of second mouse button and scroll wheel (I know the newer mice have a second button but it's rarely used). It just annoys me up to no end. Also, I simply cannot get over how expensive mac pros are, it's like 1500€-2000€ markup

 

[bhsup]

Wait, they still use that one-button mouse thing?? Geez, I figured those when out of style in the 90s..

 

[Zelig]

Wait, they still use that one-button mouse thing?? Geez, I figured those when out of style in the 90s..

Not anyone who wants a good mouse.

I'm currently typing this on a Macbook Pro, with a Microsoft keyboard, Microsoft mouse and Dell monitor.

 

[Luckymoose]

XP was also the last version which could be easily pirated. It should remain quite popular for quite some time for that reason alone.

It's funny how wrong you are.

 

[Hehehe]

Wait, they still use that one-button mouse thing?? Geez, I figured those when out of style in the 90s..

Although technically the mouse has two buttons now, at least safari did not support the second mouse button. Maybe I'm making too big of a deal out of all this but it just brings my piss to boil not being able to use second mouse button and scroll wheel (you know that thing when you press with the scroll wheel it opens the link in a new background tab?). I'm just grown so used to opening links in new tabs that it's a huge pain in the ass to individually open a new tab and punch in the address/copy the link.

 

[Luckymoose]

Although technically the mouse has two buttons now, at least safari did not support the second mouse button. Maybe I'm making too big of a deal out of all this but it just brings my piss to boil not being able to use second mouse button and scroll wheel (you know that thing when you press with the scroll wheel it opens the link in a new background tab?). I'm just grown so used to opening links in new tabs that it's a huge pain in the ass to individually open a new tab and punch in the address/copy the link.

Those mouses are touch mouses and as such have multiple buttons, including the ability to scroll and open new tabs. Learn2Mac.

 

[Hehehe]

Those mouses are touch mouses and as such have multiple buttons, including the ability to scroll and open new tabs. Learn2Mac.

Please, enlighten me. Let's say my mouse pointer is hovering over a link. What button do I press on the mouse so that it opens in a new background tab? (Do you even know what I mean?)

 

[Luckymoose]

Please, enlighten me. Let's say my mouse pointer is hovering over a link. What button do I press on the mouse so that it opens in a new background tab? (Do you even know what I mean?)

You can do multiple things. You can hold control and left click, you can right click and open it that way, or you can just set one of the multitouch functions like two finger touch to count as a third button that opens new tabs.

 

[Hehehe]

I actually took the time to open a mac and test these things out (tested on the safari browser)

You can do multiple things. You can hold control and left click

That seems to open a menu which allows to open it in a new background tab. While it works, it's quite awkward.

you can right click and open it that way,

The right mouse button seems to just open it (no tab no nothing). Then again, I can't seem to be able to do anything with the second mouse button (scrolling with the scroll wheel works though). It ought to be one of those two button mice

or you can just set one of the multitouch functions like two finger touch to count as a third button that opens new tabs.

I'm not even going to try that. Even if I managed to do that, I reckon using it would be awkward.

 

[IglooDame]

I use a macbook pro as my Windows PC, where does that place me?

In an asylum soon, most likely.

Funny, I was just having a chat with a coworker about PC (Win/Linux) vs Mac. With virtual OSs you can now run a Windows or Linux OS on your Mac, or a Mac OS on your PC. Hardware can truly be divorced from operating systems. I'm not quite ready to go out and buy a Mac in order to run Linux Mint on it, but it does enable one to choose hardware and OS separately to some degree.