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Discussion in 'Civ3 - Demo Game II: RPG' started by Strider, Jun 30, 2002.

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  1. Plexus

    Plexus Architeuthidae puericomedentis

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    the only thing about the 50gpt for a castle is, that's a whole lot of money and near impossible for anyone to ever rent. Maybe we could make it possible to buy a house ie:

    20g =shack
    40g =apartment
    80g =townhouse
    160g =small house
    280g =medium house
    400g =large house
    500g = mansion
    750g = large mansion
    1000g = castle

    and maybe be able to add on to an exising establishmnet:

    medium house to large house= 120g

    a-b*2= cost of improvement where b is current house and a is future house. just a though. AND I WILL START POSTING MORE!
     
  2. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    Land Values: (Updated) :)

    1. Any unclaimed territory (not within any borders) can be claimed by a citizen. The maximum amount allowed will be 10 tiles. These can't be sold, or traded for money, until a city is placed within that radius. If another nation builds in that tile, then that owner can either:

    a. Claim for a "Rain Check" (10 new tiles)
    b. Urge the military to conquer it.

    2. Any claimed territory (within our borders), but not within a city radius can be bought/sold for 1/2 the price.

    3. Any territory within the city radius is at the base price.

    4. These are what effect the value of that territory:

    a. No improvements: Base Value
    b. Road: Add the value of trade (i.e., +1 gpt)
    c. mines/irragation: Add 1 gold per turn.
    d. rails: add 2 gold per turn.
    e. Pollution: The value drops to 1/2 the territory value until the pollution is cleared.
    f. Enemy unit: No value is gained.
    g. Territory is marked as developed (houses): add 1 gpt.
    h: corruption: the greater the corruption, the less the value (to be determined)

    5. Buying and Selling - Citizens can buy/sell territory at the total value. The value is calculated using the above rule.

    6. Territories have varying values based on the terrain type.

    a. Grasslands - 5gpt
    b. plains/forest - 4 gpt
    c. mountains and hills - 3 gpt
    d. desert - 2 gpt
    e. jungle - 1 gpt

    7. Coast, Seas, and Oceans can be claimed, but do not generate gpt by themselves.

    8. A program will have to be made to deal with the numbers. :)
     
  3. disorganizer

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    if you sell land, you dont get a gpt. you only get a fixed price ;-)
    we should also implement this. so if you buy or sell land, you pay fixed.
    we should implement a rental market for city tiles. these will be lent to any citizen for gpt, which will normally be the buy-price of 160 turns (about 8 real-life weeks=2 terms). so if for example a tile will cost 1600 gold, then the rental value would be 10gpt, even if it will be rented much longer than 160 turns. So the renting citizen will normally pay much more than for buying in the long run.
     
  4. disorganizer

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    to get this to a point:
    maybe we should start slow

    only the gpt things for positions and the tax by culture aspect.
    moving would be calculated by tile-distance between locations. 1 gold per road, 2 per rail tile. governors are brought to their province for free 1 time at the beginnin of their term from any location they live in.

    all citizens which are not able to pay their tax are considered as on social welfare. their account balance will be set to 0 and stays there till they earn enough money for their housing.

    a national bank should be founded by the government. the bank leader should keep track of the accounts of the citizens. expenses and trades are posted there.

    the tileusage things etc. should be implemented later, as they get very complicated. maybe we should just put up a buy-price for tiles in city radius (maybe auction off the tiles?). if all tiles in a city are sold, no more tiles will be offered till radius expands.

    citizens can trade for money at any time. and anything.
     
  5. Falcon02

    Falcon02 General

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    Hmm.. This RPG idea looks Cool, and it seems to be forming nicely. I've come in rather late so I don't fully understand everything (esp. the chat about land values). But, I think if we go ahead with this it should be done NEXT term or later, to allow the maximum amount of time for refinement.

    Also with income, esp. with government positions could the # of terms increase the person's income?
    For example say CT is President next term too. With 25gpt for being the President, her second term she could earn an extra 5gpt for a total of 30gpt. If she serves another term, 35 and so on.
     
  6. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    That was what I intended, and I think they are including that. Your current gpt = your gpt for each term since you joined added together.
     
  7. Cyc

    Cyc Looking for the door...

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    I've opened a drinking/eating establishment and a gold mine in one province, a sister drinking/eating establishment and a diamond mine in another province, plus I'm the Curator of the National Art Museum. Does all this add up?
     
  8. Strider

    Strider In Retrospect

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    I think at first we should start slow, but it all depends on how many people voulanteer to help with it.

    1-3 people
    Move to a differant city and buy a house their.
    Tax for that city.

    4-10 people
    The above
    Gorcery Store(or market)
    Can buy land tiles
    Can chose from a ? number of jobs in that city.

    11- + people
    About everything that contains Real Life ;)
     
  9. Strider

    Strider In Retrospect

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    I also think we need to start a seprate thread for people who voulanteer to do this(we could also add +5 GPT to their normal if the voulanteer to help.)
     
  10. Chieftess

    Chieftess Moderator Retired Moderator

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    I like my idea of adding things per improvements. Some things are nation-wide, of course (like citizen's groups).
     
  11. Curufinwe

    Curufinwe Socialist Elf

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    Of course you like your idea. Perhaps wonder related jobs (say in PDX you need people for plays, or in Justinian people to compose music)
     
  12. Strider

    Strider In Retrospect

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    For citizen groups maybe we should have it where only people from a city that already contains a member of that citizens group can join.
     
  13. disorganizer

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    i would propose it in another way:

    a citizen group has to pay a special amount of money (set by the governor of the province) to build a branch office in a province. a citizen can only join a citizen group if this group has a branch in the province where he lives in. a branch can only be opened if a member of the group lives in the coresponding province. so if a member of a citizen group move to a non-branched province, he must leave the group or the group founds a branch there.

    the member who was there first is then the "regional leader" of this group.

    the main office (province where the group-leader lives in) is for free. if the leader moves, the main office is also moved. the leader of the group is also the regional leader for the province the main office is in.

    if a governor wants to attract many citizens, he may also set the "branching fee" to 0.

    citizen groups could also demand money from their members, like 1gpt to joing the STG. the group can nevertheless also give away "honour memberships", which are for free.

    provinces, as well as the nation, will also have an account-balance like normal citizens have. we could reflect the gpt in the game with this balance. like if in the game we get 500gpt, the nation get 500gpt to their account. i would say 50% stay in the national pot, and the rest is equally (or maybe depending on city-number or another figure) given to the provinces.
    the nation can pay the offices out of the national account, the governor pay local jobs from the provincial account (example: the president would be payed by the national, the governor by the provincial account). the government can then decide how to split the national account income between the departments. if a governor would for example need a chat-rep, he will have to pay him from the provincial account. if he cant afford it, he has none. also, the provincial account will get booked 50% of the fees, the rest goes to national account. fees will include moving tax and branching tax, as well as maybe group-tax. the fees and local taxes should be defined by the governors. the government defines how much % of the fees go to the national account (for all provinces, like 10% of all taxes+fees go to the nation).


    EDIT:
    of course, citizen groups could also pay for their members. they just have to get the money from somewhere
     
  14. disorganizer

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    a big issue:
    bribing officials.

    we must implement an constitutional article to put high punishment on bribing, like for example a citizen group could pay an official to decide things. since our banking system would be open, this would be easy to detect ;-)
     
  15. disorganizer

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    a good point:
    punishment

    we could ad new forms of punishment:
    * paying a amount of gold (for nation, province, or maybe a citizen group)
    * paying a compensation for someone who was harmed (like hurting a citizens reputation on purpose could get him a pay)
    * for bribing i would say exclusion from all offices for a minimum of 1 term, all his money goes to the national budget, all pension rights are nullified. so this citizen would get the normal citizen income for a minimum of 1 term.
    * citizen groups could be punished for things with a pay (like for example the STG-case (i think it was PI1?) could have been handled by a 10gpt payment over 1 term.
    ...
     
  16. disorganizer

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    a new idea:
    pensions for officials

    all official should get a pension. and this pension should increase with the number of terms they served. example for base-pension:
    1 unelected official
    2 deputy
    3 governor or leader
    4 vice president
    5 president
    this would be multiplied by the number of terms served. and would be added to the base 5gpt for each citizen.

    examples:
    * if i would leave my office next term,i would get 4*1 gpt=4gpt+5gpt=9gpt as pension for my 4 terms as census officer.
    * gf would get 2*5=10gpt+5gpt=15gpt now as he served 2 terms as president
    * donsig would get 1*5=5gpt+5gpt=10gpt now as he served 1 term as president

    this would also bring the office-holders to not staying in the office too long, as after some time the pension gets higher than their normal money ;-)

    pension is payed from the date the citizens leaves office till the end of the game. if the citizen reenters the same office again, the pension for this office is stopped until he leaves again. the number of terms will be added together.

    details have to be worked out of course.
     
  17. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    dis, I think this is getting too complicated. Why don't we start with the simple plan I put forth, and see how much interest there is before we make it so complex.

    Citizen income is determined by adding the income that person has had each term together. So, a normal citizen who has been here since the beginning, but has held no office, would make 5gpt+5gpt+5gpt+5gpt=20gpt during this term. Next term, he would make 25gpt and so on. Grey Fox would make 25gpt+25gpt+5 gpt + 5gpt = 60gpt during this term. Then all we need to do is decide on prices for basic stuff such as homes and land. Once we work the snags out of this system, we can begin making it more complicated.
     
  18. disorganizer

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    now i understand your system. how will we determine who was there from when on? do we assume we all were here from term1 on and then track from now on?
     
  19. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    Well, we can start with the registry. It shows the date the post was made. If someone claims to have been here longer before they registered, it is up to them to find a post before that. You get credit for partial terms, and for ease, even if you joined on the last day of a term, you get credit for the whole term.
     
  20. eyrei

    eyrei Deity Retired Moderator

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    Hehe, using this system, I think Shaitan will be the richest person in the country. He has been on the cabinet for the entire game (I think), which equates 80gpt! I am not sure how to work the term 2 calculation for myself. I was domestic leader, vice president and president at some point during that term. Same with donsig. Should he be paid for being a cabinet member even though it was only for the last week when Grey Fox resigned and I had to take over the presidency? For ease of calculation, it might be best to simply pay a citizen for the highest office they held for any length of time during a term.
     
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