Are you Politically Correct?

[Estebonrober]

Over here there was an article by a trans women complaining about gender reveal parties. And mother's basically get called a transphobe.

Or if you complain about Star Wars you're sexist. I liked Wonder Women, TLJ was just crap.

Uber liberals can't work out why people vote Trump. He's not insulting them but the far left is.

Alot of it also comes across as attention seeking fueled by social media. My sister was in town with her daughter and I mentioned gender studies at the local university. I had to explain what it was and her response was are you serious and laughed.

Yea a lot of complaining about Star Wars was sexist crap though.

Also Trump has called me the enemy of my own nation more than I can count. The far left doesn't do that. I think you are at least myopic on your point there.

 

[Zardnaar]

Yea a lot of complaining about Star Wars was sexist crap though.

Also Trump has called me the enemy of my own nation more than I can count. The far left doesn't do that. I think you are at least myopic on your point there.

The sexist idiots online are like the far left. They squawk and make a lot of noise and get a lot of attention.

With Star Wars they wrote Rey wrong and butchered the OT characters. Now they're losing money on Solo, toys aren't selling and Galaxy's Edge is underperforming.

 

[bernie14]

... .I have a patient who is a tomboy. However, I am not allowed to use the term in paperwork. I must call her a "rough and tumble child.".....

If you want to go the passive aggressive route, manipulate her into calling herself a tomboy and then you can use it in quotes

 

[Arwon]

I think the whole "you guys" thing is rather silly and totally blown out of proportion by some. It's become a generic term, used in the vernacular to denote both genders. I mean really. I certainly don't care if I'm in a group and someone says "you guys." And I most certainly won't have a crap hemorrhage over it, as some are wont to do.

Something else that has become a PC hot button (at least where I live), is men can no longer say "girl's night out" when referring to their girlfriends going out to party without the men. It's verboten. But women can say it! WTH? A man can't even use the term "girl" without someone flipping out about it, but women can. Just how exactly does that work? We can also call the men "boys", but men using the word "girl" is a no-no? How stupid is that?

Doing my post graduate work at university was the longest four years of my life with all of this PC crap. There is nothing that you can say on campus that doesn't offend somebody. It's like walking on eggshells. You never know who you will set off. I hated teaching because there was always someone in the class with a PC agenda, ready to correct everything you say, or demand gender neutral pronouns or something else. I still hate teaching, btw.

I have a patient who is a tomboy. However, I am not allowed to use the term in paperwork. I must call her a "rough and tumble child." Good God, what are we coming to if we're so worried about language and offending a small minority? Why don't my favorite comedians come to college campuses any more? Why can't I say the term "********" to mean anything but the mentally disadvantaged (As in, "The engine speed was ********." <-- meaning slowed down) without being sanctioned?

I am so fed up with all of this I have become anti-PC. I deliberately go out of my way to use non-PC terms, except where I am required (like at work). I hope I offend everyone.

Just to be clear here, it's your position that others are too sensitive, easily upset, and prone to being angered by mere words?

 

[Broken_Erika]

Just to be clear here, it's your position that others are too sensitive, easily upset, and prone to being angered by mere words?

That's 'cause many people are too sensitive, easily upset, and prone to being angered by mere words.

 

[Arwon]

It seems like a lot of people in this thread are just easily upset and overly sensitive to being told about the potential implications and imputations of their language choices, tbh. They should harden up.

 

[NovaKart]

The funniest PC thing I came across recently was someone on Twitter who said she didn’t like the term “feminine hygiene” product because some people who menstruate are not female and not all females menstruate. The 2nd is of course true of many cisgender women but still....

La Leche League also put out some announcement awhile ago which said they recognize some men breastfeed.

Recently I came across an article by someone who thought veganism and vegetarianism was not intersectional enough. She thought for one thing it was not inclusive of trans people, I can’t remember why, and she took offense to an ad PETA had which showed Shilpa Shetty dressed like a tiger in a cage. She said it was equating women of color with exotic animals. Now presumably Shilpa Shetty agreed to be in this ad and didn’t find it offensive to herself.

The cultural appropriation thing is what really annoys me with PC culture. I find it to be very damaging for the arts and literature when people try to restrict others from adopting things from other cultures.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Any thought or opinion regardless of what it is will be offensive to someone somewhere.

 

[red_elk]

Over here many people think Westerners are too obsessed with political correctness and sometimes make jokes using PC terms.
"That guy is alternatively gifted, I couldn't explain him anything". Or "I don't want to date her, she is too body-positive".

 

[Berzerker]

It seems like a lot of people in this thread are just easily upset and overly sensitive to being told about the potential implications and imputations of their language choices, tbh. They should harden up.

and comply

 

[bernie14]

It seems like a lot of people in this thread are just easily upset and overly sensitive to being told about the potential implications and imputations of their language choices, tbh. They should harden up.

I didn't take it that way at all....and so what if she is upset? Not agreeing with someone can make anyone upset. Did you mean she was easily offended? You don't know the difference?

EDIT. actually, if i really wanted to be a virtue signaling pc jerk, i would accuse you mansplaining how this particular woman was hysterical!!!!

 

[Broken_Erika]

Over here many people think Westerners are too obsessed with political correctness and sometimes make jokes using PC terms.
"That guy is alternatively gifted, I couldn't explain him anything". Or "I don't want to date her, she is too body-positive".

Political correctness started out with good intentions. But you know what they say about good intentions; The road to Hell is paved with them.
The trick is to find the right balance and stop there, occasionally adding new terms if it's reasonable, but of course, like the conservatives that must prove who is most conservative of all, PC people must prove who is most PC of all.

 

[Narz]

It seems like a lot of people in this thread are just easily upset and overly sensitive to being told about the potential implications and imputations of their language choices, tbh. They should harden up.

Censorship is annoying. The world is literally burning & yet the biggest worry on some people's mind is whether "waittress" is an appropriate word to use?

This nonsense absolutely drives people away from "progressive" ideas (like keeping Earth habitable for human life).

Getting offended on people's behalf serves them.... not at all. Pick your battles. The potential implications of one's words are limitless. It is impossible to worry about how 7 billion people perceive you & doing so is a huge waste of precious human life.

 

[Fippy]

Alot of it also comes across as attention seeking fueled by social media.

Thread winner
On the net peoples can let out everything, this has been hugely hyped up by social media and now everybody thinks their opinion is important.

Other than my close friends and family, i take nobody too serious.

 

[Arwon]

The world is literally burning & yet the biggest worry on some people's mind is whether "waittress" is an appropriate word to use?

This is how you know someone means serious business

 

[Gorbles]

The that gets me about any thread about political correctness (and I'm not aiming anything at rah specifically here, it's definitely become a common phrase over the past few years) is it's basically a conservative catchphrase to basically insult anyone perceived as an (American) liberal (in context and given the history of the time). Wikipedia has a surprisingly good historical summary of how the phrase came to be, and also sums up my position on how it's used. I'll quote that simply for brevity, people can look up the article and its citations at their leisure:

Commentators on the political left in the United States contend that conservatives use the concept of political correctness to downplay and divert attention from substantively discriminatory behavior against disadvantaged groups.[20][23][24] They also argue that the political right enforces its own forms of political correctness to suppress criticism of its favored constituencies and ideologies.[25][26][27] In the United States, the term has played a major role in the "culture war" between liberals and conservatives.[28]

Discussion about this, when it even manages to be constructive (I think the first page of this thread was pretty good), often trends to people just not understanding that what is ridiculous to them, isn't to other people.

Which actually just turns it into a rehash of most political leftist vs. centrist vs. right-winger opinion threads I've seen so far in OT. It doesn't help that the phrase we're debating was literally invented by right-wingers for a non-constructive purpose, because it basically invites bad faith discussion even if the OP didn't mean it (and I genuinely believe the thread had good intentions, just in case anyone gets bent out of shape).

EDIT

Also a genuine laugh @Fibby - if you're prepared to take nobody's opinion here seriously, what's even the point of posting

 

[Akka]

Have you ever encountered an issue that you just had to look up and go "REALLY".

Quite a lot. I like to get factual and dislike when feelings try to dictate facts, so most of political correctness really irks me.

I think the rancor over political correctness is so bad that I don't even want to comment on it. I had one example but decided not to post about it because I don't want to be called a bigot by people I like and respect.

Are they really deserving of respect if they throw "bigot" at everyone who has an opinion not like theirs ?
I can't really respect hypocrites.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

People think addressing me by my preferred pronouns is somehow both political and pc, instead of it being common decency.

It's very important to note that how people treat others can have an impact upon marginalised groups; LGBTQ, the disabled, racial minorities etc.

An example of this is the suicide rate in regards to transpeople; if society refuses ro use the preferred pronouns then that rate will continue to be as high as it is; transitioning and being correctly gendered can help with trans people's mental health and yet we're still stuck on the same conversation when it comes to deadnaming and misgendering and no I'm not talking about unintentional slip of the tongue but an adamant refusal to do so at all. I would rather people try and sometimes mess up than not try at all.

Even more salient is how we refer to those with mental illnesses and disabilities; previously accepted terms are now understood to reinforce stigma which can have a demonstrable impact on people's lives.

Is it any wonder why people try to avoid talking about their problems, especially males, when doing so can lead to you be labelled in a profoundly dehumanising way? Is it any wonder why males have such a high suicide rate when even talking about mental health issues are so laden with stigma and shame?

 

[Gorbles]

Are they really deserving of respect if they throw "bigot" at everyone who has an opinion not like theirs ?
I can't really respect hypocrites.

People like to quote the basic technical definition of "bigot", which is the following (from the Google dictionary):

a person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions.

However, this isn't entirely accurate. Here are two further definitions that emphasise how it applies to race and other lines of intolerance, and not simply "an opinion not like theirs":

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bigot
https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/bigotry

(they're also the next two links I found on the same Google search)

 

[Peuri]

I talk the PC talk in real life, but only wrapped in layers of irony, which means that people assume that I'm PC, but only I secretly know I'm not. This gives me immense pleasure as both the people who are not PC get upset, and the people who are PC get duped. Owning the libs and the conservatards, oh yeah boy! Yeah... I live a sad life.