Arioch's Analyst Thread

[SammyKhalifa]

Oh i agree i'd be irritated if an ancient ruin could randomly turn my specialist mounted killing spearman into a trebuchet..

It could be worse. Imagine what the spearman would think about it.

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

The player has 2 Iron left at the time so I assume upgrading is directed toward the best available unit of the same category (here melee)

 

[Schuesseled]

Well a swordsman isn't really better than a spearman, its designed for a different purpose.

 

[12agnar0k]

Ok then perhaps the game will automatically select the highest available unlocked unit on your upgrade tree which has resource's in excess, I.e if your upgrade path is like so..

Tank (Oil) -> Modern Armour (Aluminium) -> GDR (Uranium),
note: Modern Armour probably won't actually upgrade to the GDR , but let's assume it does for a second to use as an example.

And you have Nuclear Fusion so GDR is unlocked but you have 0 Uranium left, but plenty of Aluminium,

When you go to upgrade a normal tank, first of all the game checks your maximum allowed upgrade which would be the GDR (its the end of the upgrade tree anyway), however the game detects 0 Uranium, this means upgrading the the GDR is impossible, so the next tech down is checked, which is modern armour, 1 or more Aluminium is available so the option to upgrade to Modern Armour is given.

This makes sense, won't removal strategical importance from resources and allows upgrading to work in the best possible way.

 

[KrikkitTwo]

The problem is that Spear ->Sword is not an appropriate upgrade

So the Warrior might not be part of an upgrade path

Warrior upgrades to
->Sword path
OR
->Spear path if Sword path is not available

Spear path
Spear->Pike->Rifle path
Sword path
Sword->Longsword->Rifle

Bow Path
Archer->Crossbow->Rifle path

Musket->Rifle path

Rifle path
Rifle->Infantry->Mech Infantry

Artillery path
Catapult->Tebuchet->Cannon->Artillery->Rocket Artillery

Chariot Archer->Knight path
Horseman->Knight path
Knight Path
Knight->Lancer->Cavalry->?Tank->Modern Armor

AA gun->Mobile SAM

AT gun?->Helicopter?

Ship path
Trireme->Caravel->Frigate->Ironclad->Destroyer ??-> (Missile Cruiser)..since Nuclear sub takes the antisub role

Sub->Nuclear Sub

Battleship->Missile Cruiser

Fighter->Jet Fighter

Bomber->Stealth Bomber

Atomic Bomb->Nuclear Missile

Stand alones (probably)
Carrier
Guided Missile
GDR
Paratrooper

 

[Schuesseled]

Has it not been confirmed that the ironclad cannot go into oceans, if thats the case i doubt the ship path would go Frigate -> Ironclad -> Destroyer.

More likely to be like civ 4:

Carvarel -> Frigate - > Destroyer
.................Ironclad - > Destroyer

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Has it not been confirmed that the ironclad cannot go into oceans, if thats the case i doubt the ship path would go Frigate -> Ironclad -> Destroyer.

More likely to be like civ 4:

Carvarel -> Frigate - > Destroyer
.................Ironclad - > Destroyer

If the Ironclad can't go into oceans that would be true... But I could see the Ironclad being a full fledged intermediate between Frigate and Destroyers

 

[12agnar0k]

Oh yeah whoops forgot about the pike, I guess spearman would need to be seperate.

 

[Schuesseled]

if it can enter oceans then yes i agree.

Although i still think warrior fits much better with swords tahn spears.

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

Roads can be built outside borders :

This is a rather hot natural wonder :

And a 4 prod city trying to build the HG Wonder :

 

[Schuesseled]

Roads can be built outside borders :

This is a rather hot natural wonder :

And a 4 prod city trying to build the HG Wonder :

Well we knew about the roads, but thanks for the picture. Edit: on the road pic, thats some distance between his two cities. :O

Good to see the hanging gardens haven't lost there awesome pop boost, also noticing that +3 happiness in there. Awesome wonder.

 

[MisterBarca]

Roads can be built outside borders :

This is a rather hot natural wonder :

And a 4 prod city trying to build the HG Wonder :

Where are you getting these photos?!

 

[Schuesseled]

this guy is a legend at finding all these cool screenshots and hacking them up for his own evil purposes, and he almost never reveals wheres he's getting them

 

[Seek]

Where are you getting these photos?!

Snipperrabbit's super secret stash of screens!

I expect that he has discovered yet another preview no one else has...

Edit: Hmm, that minimap *does* look familiar...

 

[Ahriman]

But I could see the Ironclad being a full fledged intermediate between Frigate and Destroyers

Agreed. Its perfectly reasonable to see the Ironclad as representing all coal/steampowered warships, not just Monitor/Merrimack style.

Since they require coal, its probably reasonable that they be of superior quality.

Though the "coast only" restriction is one that makes them strategically interesting - and helps at least somewhat model reliance on coaling stations.

 

[snipperrabbit!!]

The +3 happiness bonus isn't that great if you have 4 cities for example unless you're Indian.

The pics, they were bought by 01net from another site I don't recall which.

 

[Schuesseled]

I hadn't considered that chain of thought but the 3 happiness provides for 3 of the citizens born from the wonder thats something.

 

[Mercade]

A tiny screenshot with part of the Mediterranean map pack. Unfortunately I couldn't find anything larger yet ...

 

[AriochIV]

If Warriors upgrade to Legions, then that means they normally upgrade to Swordsmen. So arguing about whether the Legion might be resourceless in this aspect is pointless. Swordsmen certainly require Iron, so if you want to upgrade from a Warrior, it will cost Iron.

It is not confirmed that the Legion requires Iron, but it's a 99% bet. Being resourceless is a major advantage... the War Chariot is resourceless and +1 move, and that's all. For a Legion to be +2 Str AND can build roads and forts AND be resourceless? No way.

 

[chaotoroboto]

This is a rather hot natural wonder :

Which one is it? Krakatoa, Vesuvius? Not St Helens - at least, not any more.

Are there any volcanoes listed in the Pedia yet?

NVM: Krakatoa