Arioch's Analyst Thread

[Seek]

It *seems* from screenshots that like in previous Civ you have line of sight (no fog) everywhere within your borders - I think? Can anyone confirm?

Also seems that you have sight from city states you are at Friendly with. At 25:16 in the second video you can see the fog jump back around Monaco when Greg became friends with them.

 

[mjs0]

Also seems that you have sight from city states you are at Friendly with. At 25:16 in the second video you can see the fog jump back around Monaco when Greg became friends with them.

Good catch...and nice feature.

 

[Boris Godunov]

I pulled this out of Greg's video. It shows everything you should need to know IMO: The relative damages dealt, the strengths of the units involved (and where the modifiers come from), and what the outcome should be. There's obviously some deviation possible, but it's always been +/- 1 of the displayed outcome.

Thanks! Just what I needed.

 

[Earthling]

The relative damages dealt, the strengths of the units involved (and where the modifiers come from), and what the outcome should be. There's obviously some deviation possible, but it's always been +/- 1 of the displayed outcome.

I will say I'm incredibly glad this appeared to be exactly like I hoped it would be but wasn't sure at all it would be like that, was worried they would put in far more variation. Except perhaps too much total damage is done overall but that's hard to judge without lots of gameplay experience (2 combats rather than 3 being the typical amount to generally kill a unit on roughly equal footing).

 

[Peng Qi]

If you had no other units then you wouldn't be able to see units behind obstacles as they block your LoS as well as your shots. Therefore having indirect fire would be pointless. It's use comes in when you can see the untis behind hills and forests.

Re-read what I said please.

 

[AriochIV]

I will say I'm incredibly glad this appeared to be exactly like I hoped it would be but wasn't sure at all it would be like that, was worried they would put in far more variation.

Well, the display shows an estimate. There is still a random variation in what actually happens when you attack.

 

[Semmel]

Thanks for the answers!

And I like Semmel's idea. Though I just realized his avatar doesn't represent mushrooms, but breads...!

You dont know whats in them ;-) Back to topic:

"Universal Suffrage: +33% City Combat Strength." well, yeah.. I always felt that putting a sheet of paper into a box with other papers in it makes me stronger in combat! Anyways.. just wanted to point that one out ;-)

 

[DeepQantas]

• Fascism: Quantity of Strategic Resources produced by the empire increased by 100%.
• Militarism: -33% cost for purchasing units.
• Police State: -50% Unhappiness in Annexed Cities.
• Populism: Damaged military units deal +25% damage.
• Total War: For 20 turns, all Military Units receive a 33% attack bonus.

• Me right now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJOuoyoMhj8

 

[Tomice]

Arioch, Greg showed the advanced SP view on Monday. Would you mind showing the pic on your site? I'd love to have a visual impression of the 10 trees when checking out SPs and making my mind up. Guess i'm not alone.

 

[Schuesseled]

Re-read what I said please.

Done, i'm still right.

 

[craig123]

You added one too many nevers"

I did not. There should be 3 of them (though the original version had one).

 

[dpaajones]

Do we know yet what the English Ship-of-the-Line unit will be like? I haven't seen much discussion/info about it anywhere. All I've seen is that its ranged attack strength will be very marginally higher than a normal frigate, but apart from that zilch.

 

[thungrim]

You dont know whats in them ;-) Back to topic:

"Universal Suffrage: +33% City Combat Strength." well, yeah.. I always felt that putting a sheet of paper into a box with other papers in it makes me stronger in combat! Anyways.. just wanted to point that one out ;-)

I reconcile this by assuming Universal Suffrage means a much broader element of the population is considered a citizen, with rights and responsibilities in determining the nation's direction. With more people having a stake in the outcome, more people rush to the front when the state is in jeopardy, and fight with greater ferocity than if they had been conscripted.

Make sense?

 

[Ahriman]

I reconcile this by assuming Universal Suffrage means a much broader element of the population is considered a citizen, with rights and responsibilities in determining the nation's direction. With more people having a stake in the outcome, more people rush to the front when the state is in jeopardy, and fight with greater ferocity than if they had been conscripted.

Wha?
I would argue that an all volunteer military in a universal suffrage democracy can easily be far more disconnected from military action than in a system with conscription where the whole population is actually sharing the burden. Look at the disconnect between the US population now and the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I agree with you that this is what they're trying to model in some sense, but I'm not sure it makes that much sense (like so many of these social policy bonuses).

 

[Semmel]

I reconcile this by assuming Universal Suffrage means a much broader element of the population is considered a citizen, with rights and responsibilities in determining the nation's direction. With more people having a stake in the outcome, more people rush to the front when the state is in jeopardy, and fight with greater ferocity than if they had been conscripted.

Make sense?

Could have named it Conscription..

Edit: Ahirman ninja'd me..

 

[thungrim]

Could have named it Conscription..

Edit: Ahirman ninja'd me..

Well, "conscription" wouldn't make much sense under that tree, and furthermore conscripted soldiers are generally of much poorer caliber than a professional volunteer.

 

[Louis XXIV]

I think it makes sense. It's the idea of people having a stake in their place because of patriotism. It's the Citizen army aspect. A good example I can think of was the War of 1812, where the citizens of Baltimore organized the defense of the city and held off the British. There could also just be a representation of World War II and all the women rushing to work to mobilize for the war cause while the men fought abroad.

It's not a perfect representation either way, but it's a necessary policy benefit (probably no buildings around that time that improve city defense) and the result isn't entire unlogical.

 

[thungrim]

Wha?
I would argue that an all volunteer military in a universal suffrage democracy can easily be far more disconnected from military action than in a system with conscription where the whole population is actually sharing the burden. Look at the disconnect between the US population now and the American wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I think the disconnect you perceive is between the civilians and the army (which is definitely the case in modern democracies), not the army and military action. However when it comes to the soldiers themselves, I think they have as good an idea of what military action is and means as every warrior in history. The difference is a volunteer is substantially superior to a conscript.

Additionally the game is trying to model city defense, not overall military competence. I believe it stands to reason that if more people feel a stake and representation in their nation, they'll more quickly defend (and defend more ferociously) when there's a threat to the nation itself.

I agree with you that this is what they're trying to model in some sense, but I'm not sure it makes that much sense (like so many of these social policy bonuses).

Totally get ya.

 

[Aussie_Lurker]

What bothers me about the Universal Suffrage Policy is that it looks like yet *another* policy which is only good for *war* . Couldn't they have come up with an ability that for this SP that makes it useful in peace-time?

Aussie.

 

[12agnar0k]

Actually Police State is interesting.... if Annexed cities produce unhappiness<2x a normal city, then an Annexed city under police State is Better than a Puppet/Assimilated city.

No it is 2x the puppet or normal city, but yes police state is great, the 50% decrease will make it no more unhappy than a normal city or puppet state, and annexing would indeed be better than puppet states. (accept they will make SP's more expensive.)