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Actually a neuroscience professor and I had an "ask a" thread in the old OT that may answer a lot of questions and is still readable. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=232069

I chose the new title because we had a paper recently that got some press and someone emailed me a blog where I was called a mad scientist-cool:cool:.

If you ever need to identify a mad scientist just ask him or her for their scifi movie collection and it will tell you all you need to know. Take Mark Mayford of the Scripps Research Institute in San Diego who – with his colleagues – genetically engineered mice so that neurons that fired would fire again when the brain was injected with a drug. Purpose? To locate the memory storage in your brain, and to create false memories.
In the 1990 blockbuster Total Recall this is exactly what was advertised by the movie’s antagonist company REKALL. In the movie Douglas Quaid (Schwarzenegger) is haunted by a recurring dream about a journey to Mars. He hopes to find out more about this dream and buys a holiday at Rekall Inc. where they sell implanted memories. But something goes wrong with the memory implantation and he remembers being a secret agent fighting against the evil Mars administrator Cohaagen. Now the story really begins and it’s a rollercoaster ride until the massive end of the movie.
Fast forward to the research. The scientists put mice individually in a box and exposed them to color and smell, encouraging a group of neurons to form a memory of the condition. Because these neurons fired during memory-making, they could be reactivated when the drug was injected, allowing the researchers to induce an involuntary – or false – memory of the box.
Although the experiment is based on research from the 1940′s by neurosurgeon Wilder Penfield who found his patients would recall seemingly random information – the smell of cookies for instance – when he stimulated different brain areas with electric shocks, this is exactly how the REKALL-machine from the movie induced ‘your memory of a lifetime’ and messing up Arnold’s brain in the process.

The latter btw is also what happened to the mice. After the mice were introduced to a new memory related to the first box, the researchers put the mice in a second box while inducing the memory of the first box with the drug and gave it a small electro-shock.
Normally the shock would encourage the mouse to fear its immediate environment – the second box. Not in this case, though: when the mouse was shocked, it was sitting in the second box while strongly remembering the first. Consequently, it developed a fear of a mixture of both boxes – in effect an imaginary environment. Just like your REKALL implanted memory of a great vacation. And like I said, messing up the mouse’s brain.
Of course the whole mad scientist crowd is very impressed and happy cause the fact that you can introduce new bits of information into memory – read ‘implant memories’ –opens up a whole new universe of research. Yep, I bet it does and a whole lot more too.

http://lemonsblack.com/rekall-false-memory-induction/

So am I mad? Does this research frighten you? Do scientists frighten you?

Or ask any questions about being a professional research scientist or University Professor or about the brain.
 
How did you become a professor? Can you describe the general proccess you had to go through to reach that status? From the very bottom pls.
 
Be born relatively smart, get chemistry set @ 12. Become enamored with trying to make explosives. Survive this phase with interest in science. BS in Biochem, PhD in molecular biology, post-doc with Nobel Prize winner, get hot finding with some luck, hard work, and cleaverness, get prof job.
 
What drove you mad? What's the maddest thing you've done since becoming a scientist (within science, not life)?
 
Don't you think most "mad scientists" are actually mad engineers?

Good point. In the whole evil world domination kind of "mad" I guess you will have to build something which would take engineers. But the real evil genius behind it is the scientist, we just hire the engineers as our henchmen.
 
What drove you mad?

OT Moderation.

What's the maddest thing you've done since becoming a scientist (within science, not life)?

Post on CFC when I should be working on a paper.

Scientifically this paper (directly implanting altered memories) is the maddest thing I have done but it is not really mad at all. It was a surprising finding the way we did it but it is something many people have been trying (a competator came out with a similar paper on the same day) for a long time to try and get a basic understanding of how memory is structured in the brain. It's just that sci-fi references are loosely relevant.
 
I keep hearing about scientists who spend all their time playing around with mice and cornflakes. Is any real science being done these days? Have you ever met a real scientist or done any real science? ;)
 
I have a question that you might not find relevant but since you deal with research mice and I don't know anyone else...

Many years ago a major storm (or hurricane?) flooded out the research lab of a facility in gulf-coastal Texas. This particular lab had a very extensive population of pure-strain research mice and rats... I think... I remember hearing that it was something like 30 years of breeding programs along dozens or hundreds of different genetic lines in order to provide specimens for various research programs.

All of this was lost in the aftermath of the storm.

Has this affected your area of research at all?
Is there more redundancy in the research infrastructure since this calamity?
 
I have a question that you might not find relevant but since you deal with research mice and I don't know anyone else...

Many years ago a major storm (or hurricane?) flooded out the research lab of a facility in gulf-coastal Texas. This particular lab had a very extensive population of pure-strain research mice and rats... I think... I remember hearing that it was something like 30 years of breeding programs along dozens or hundreds of different genetic lines in order to provide specimens for various research programs.

All of this was lost in the aftermath of the storm.

Has this affected your area of research at all?
Is there more redundancy in the research infrastructure since this calamity?

I am familiar with that case my whole thing is to make unique genetically modified mice. Many lines are frozen or placed in a genetic repository both for distribution to other scientists and for recovery in a disaster. But I always have new unpublished mice I'm working on and if they were lost it would be a couple of years of work.
 
I read recently that mice brains were not very representative of human brains. But have some similarities, and the benefits of being easy to work with. To what extent is that true? What's the challenge of taking something learned from a mouse brain and making certain it also holds true for a human brain? How do you go about that?
 
So when you're working on altering genes, how exactly is that done?

Do you PCR a batch of the target sequence and then inject it into the nucleus?

Or is it more about selective breeding?
 
If I buy animals, but they're sold under license, is it possible they'll forbid me from breeding the mice? Can they do that? How can I possibly afford an experiment if each mouse is nearly $200?
 
I read recently that mice brains were not very representative of human brains. But have some similarities, and the benefits of being easy to work with. To what extent is that true? What's the challenge of taking something learned from a mouse brain and making certain it also holds true for a human brain? How do you go about that?

What is very much the same between mice and humans is genes and basic structure and form of the brain. For example we both have layered cortex and the morphology of neurons are the same. What is different is size, certain regions (eg language areas) and some fine connectivity. Now obviously you can't do many things in humans and the things you will be able to do in mice is amazing (see mad science paper). Christoph Koch who studies consciousness in humans (a subject I always considered premature and over-hyped) just got $300 Mil from Paul Allen (Microsoft $) to study....Mice using...essentially my techniques. Why couldn't I get a meeting with Allen?

This is because everyone realizes that the basic principles of function will be the same. Now when you get to details and doing therapy it is always difficult esp. with drug development. But one of the fastest transfers i have ever seen from mice to humans is a form of behavioral therapy for PTSD that was discovered in mice/rats and 1 year later was successfully demonstrated to work in humans.
 
So when you're working on altering genes, how exactly is that done?

Do you PCR a batch of the target sequence and then inject it into the nucleus?

Or is it more about selective breeding?

You inject the altered gene(s) into the fertilized egg and then a mouse with that genetic alteration is born. You then maintain this altered strain by breeding
 
If I buy animals, but they're sold under license, is it possible they'll forbid me from breeding the mice? Can they do that? How can I possibly afford an experiment if each mouse is nearly $200?

In general academic researchers are given a waiver for these kinds of charges esp if it was developed with federal grant support I believe it is required. Companies have to pay and easily do so.
 
I was reading an interview with Jaak Panksepp the other day. The last paragraph reads:

We plan to go smack into it. We think that depression is an underactive seeking urge that has been made underactive by too much psycological pain. We know that all the neural systems are still there, so our goal is to invigorate the primitive seeking urge to provide a positive affect to fight the negative pain. That's what we are going to try.

My question is are you familiar with this approach, and do you think you could explain with a little more detail (to someone with a very limited science background) if this seems to make sense in terms of where depression (or one of the places depression) comes from and ways to treat it?
 
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