Ask A Protestant Christian II

[kochman]

So the Canaanites should have accepted being wiped out because God said so? I thought God was supposed to love all his creation.

God can do as He pleases... that's part of being God.
We don't have to understand His plans, He doesn't owe us an explanation.

 

[JollyRoger]

God can do as He pleases... that's part of being God.
We don't have to understand His plans, He doesn't owe us an explanation.

If it is part of the Abrahamic God's plans to inspire some of his followers to crash planes into buildings, who are we to ask for an explanation?

 

[El_Machinae]

1) Because, you know inside it is wrong... if you don't, you know when you see the fear on a person's face you are violating the golden rule...

2) The connection was "do unto others", if you fail to see the connection that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

3) The Nazis had all sorts of "advanced things", I still consider them totally barbaric as well. Just my opinion. Aztecs = not good culture. A net loss for the human race.

God can do as He pleases... that's part of being God.
We don't have to understand His plans, He doesn't owe us an explanation.

You literally posted an apologetic for priest-inspired genocide one post after you posted about the golden rule and a damnation of priest-inspired murder.

 

[Flying Pig]

If it is part of the Abrahamic God's plans to inspire some of his followers to crash planes into buildings, who are we to ask for an explanation?

It should be our job to say 'hang on a minute, I know that God wouldn't support genocide, terrorism, etc - whatever this is, I'm clearly misinterpreting what he wants me to do'.

 

[kochman]

You literally posted an apologetic for priest-inspired genocide one post after you posted about the golden rule and a damnation of priest-inspired murder.

Uh, no, I didn't.
God is not a priest.

 

[kochman]

If it is part of the Abrahamic God's plans to inspire some of his followers to crash planes into buildings, who are we to ask for an explanation?

Allah is not the same entity as the Christian God, so I dismiss the question out of hand.
I believe Allah to be a corruption of the Christian God...

 

[JollyRoger]

Allah is not the same entity as the Christian God, so I dismiss the question out of hand.
I believe Allah to be a corruption of the Christian God...

What caused the Christian God to get corrupted?

 

[Hitti-Litti]

Allah is not the same entity as the Christian God, so I dismiss the question out of hand.
I believe Allah to be a corruption of the Christian God...

Wow, so you're not a monotheist, as you believe that there is both a Christian god and a Muslim god?

 

[JollyRoger]

Wow, so you're not a monotheist, as you believe that there is both a Christian god and a Muslim god?

Why did the Christian God get so easily beat down by the Muslim God on 9/11?

Moderator Action: Infraction for trolling.

 

[Flying Pig]

Allah is not the same entity as the Christian God, so I dismiss the question out of hand.
I believe Allah to be a corruption of the Christian God...

Alright, to avoid blatant question-dodging - suppose God told you to hijack an aircraft. What would you do?

 

[El_Machinae]

Uh, no, I didn't.
God is not a priest.

Uh, the Canaanites were wiped out (in the story) under the orders of a priest. That's a very different scenario than (say) the atrocities committed against the First Born of Egypt (wherein an angel apparently fails the Milgram test) or the Flood.

The Canaanite genocide was man-on-man, ordered by priests. The parallel to the Aztec priests is incredibly strong, where priests told priests to murder (or merely sacrifice) people. Osama bin Laden and Osama bin Joshua are indistinguishable, and so are their followers.

 

[timtofly]

With one's sister?

You did not ask me to interpret it. You asked what I thought of it.

So the Canaanites should have accepted being wiped out because God said so? I thought God was supposed to love all his creation.

What caused the Christian God to get corrupted?

When someone can show me a person who is fair in all of their doings without any hint of a selfish motive, then we can start to reason why God cannot be fair and just without being jealous or selfish. God is not an example to live by. We will never be perfection that He is. Trying to hold Him to our standards are as useless.

I am a little confused. First I hear that God is invented by man, and the next thing I hear is why He does not function like we have invented Him to be. Has it ever occurred to those that there might Just be a God that was not invented by us nor revolves around our way of thinking.

 

[Arakhor]

Aren't you breaking the first commandment, Kochman? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

By even acknowledging a separate divine entity other than God, you are admitting that he is not omnipotent and so on.

 

[timtofly]

Aren't you breaking the first commandment, Kochman? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

By even acknowledging a separate divine entity other than God, you are admitting that he is not omnipotent and so on.

If there were no other gods, how can God demand to be first? The command was not to keep from thinking about other gods, but to not put them first.

 

[Perfection]

So you can have other Gods?

 

[Hitti-Litti]

If there were no other gods, how can God demand to be first? The command was not to keep from thinking about other gods, but to not put them first.

...you call yourself a Christian after saying that there is more than one god?

 

[Flying Pig]

...you call yourself a Christian after saying that there is more than one god?

There's only one divine, if you like, but we humans have different ways of looking at it. If you call these 'gods', then there is more than one god: there's the Jewish god, the Christian god, and the Muslim god, and so on. It just happens that they're the same thing.

 

[timtofly]

So you can have other Gods?

...you call yourself a Christian after saying that there is more than one god?

There's only one divine, if you like, but we humans have different ways of looking at it. If you call these 'gods', then there is more than one god: there's the Jewish god, the Christian god, and the Muslim god, and so on. It just happens that they're the same thing.

We do not have idols in a civilized world. People declare worship to almost everything imaginable. Anything that one does or trust before God is an IDOL. It is a representation of a "material" god that one can "see". Putting anything before God, is an idol or representation of a "god". That is what God says to not put before HIM. Does no one know the definition of a god? A god is not some mythical thing that arises to compete with God. A god is something that man has created to explain the non-physical world and connect it to the physical world. Please tell me, I am not the only one who knows this?

 

[Arakhor]

"For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (I Timothy, 2:5)

According to the Bible, either Allah and Jehovah are both God or neither of them exist.

 

[kochman]

Wow, so you're not a monotheist, as you believe that there is both a Christian god and a Muslim god?

I don't believe the Muslim "God" is God... nor do I believe it is a god... it is an idea, corrupt.

Alright, to avoid blatant question-dodging - suppose God told you to hijack an aircraft. What would you do?

If God told me directly?! I'd be a little shocked...

Uh, the Canaanites were wiped out (in the story) under the orders of a priest. That's a very different scenario than (say) the atrocities committed against the First Born of Egypt (wherein an angel apparently fails the Milgram test) or the Flood.

The Canaanite genocide was man-on-man, ordered by priests. The parallel to the Aztec priests is incredibly strong, where priests told priests to murder (or merely sacrifice) people. Osama bin Laden and Osama bin Joshua are indistinguishable, and so are their followers.

The difference is, I believe in God, the Christian God, which is the Jewish God.
I do not believe in an Aztec God... therefore, it was not divinely directed.

Aren't you breaking the first commandment, Kochman? "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

By even acknowledging a separate divine entity other than God, you are admitting that he is not omnipotent and so on.

No, because I don't believe Allah is a god.

"For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" (I Timothy, 2:5)

According to the Bible, either Allah and Jehovah are both God or neither of them exist.

See above... Just because you claim your God came from a certain tradition, doesn't make it true. If you part with what is right in your belief, you are no longer worshiping God, but an idea.

I believe Allah is a corrupt idea, created to manipulate men. It takes what I believe to be a truth, my God, and deceives men. Who would likely try to deceive men???