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Berzerker, I majored in anthropology and archaeology, minored in physical & cultural geography, and had a generous helping of classical history, astronomy, and have read the Old Testament. Don't try to imply that I don't know what I'm talking about.

But you dont think we evolved from apes?
 
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What does any of this have to do with real science?

It has to do with real science because it's how real science works. Experiments either have to be repeated in the laboratory, or recorded and vetted by a second or third. The Michaelson-Morley Experiment was done by two people; Louie Pasteur tested for Spontaneous Generation three times; and the result was negative three times.

Newton's Alchemy experiments was done with an assistant. Aristarchus proposed a Heliocentric theory, and a few centuries later Copernicus checked his claims. Newton's experiments with prisms can be replicated (I won't suggest testing with the bodkin).

When ever someone makes a claim in court, someone must back it up. The Fleschman and Ponns experiments couldn't be replicated with any degree of accuracy. Three labs had null results. This is the purpose of the Peer Review, actually. Although that method has been highly politicized.
 
It has to do with real science because it's how real science works. Experiments either have to be repeated in the laboratory, or recorded and vetted by a second or third. The Michaelson-Morley Experiment was done by two people; Louie Pasteur tested for Spontaneous Generation three times; and the result was negative three times.

Newton's Alchemy experiments was done with an assistant. Aristarchus proposed a Heliocentric theory, and a few centuries later Copernicus checked his claims. Newton's experiments with prisms can be replicated (I won't suggest testing with the bodkin).

When ever someone makes a claim in court, someone must back it up. The Fleschman and Ponns experiments couldn't be replicated with any degree of accuracy. Three labs had null results. This is the purpose of the Peer Review, actually. Although that method has been highly politicized.
I am quite aware of how the scientific method works. How do any of your examples relate to Atlantis? What experiments were performed to establish whether or not your ideas about Atlantis are correct?
 
What have quotations from the Bible and the Book of Mormon got to do with Atlantis? That PDF you linked to kept extolling the virtues of having an 'open' mind, not hidebound by religious dogma, yet you go and mention those.

You also failed to answer my criticism about Adam.
 
I'm more hopeful of getting an answer for a question from four hours ago than, say, ten days ago. :)
 
After reading this thread, I have a bunch of questions, feel free to answer them in your own time.

How was Atlantean society structured? What sort of government did they have? Were they the only advanced civilization, or were there others? If there were others, what sort of relation did Atlantis have with them? Why did their civilization collapse? What is the relation between Atlantis and early civilizations such as the Indus cities?

EDIT: What do you think of the Pak?
 
But you dont think we evolved from apes?

The answer to your question is:

No, I don't think so. We share the same morphology, but clearly there are some details in our skeletons that do not agree with ape skeletons. We clearly walk upright, but the way we walk upright is different from how the Hominoids do it (Almas, Bigfoot, Yeti).


The way we walk puts undo stress on our joints. The Hominoid apes do it much more efficiently.

what was our common ancestor?

Hard to say. The closest Ape with our morphology was Nakalipithecus.

What have quotations from the Bible and the Book of Mormon got to do with Atlantis? That PDF you linked to kept extolling the virtues of having an 'open' mind, not hidebound by religious dogma, yet you go and mention those.

They aren't from the Book of Mormon, they are from the Doctrine and Covenants. It's not what the passages come from, it's what they say. "In the mouth of two or three witnesses, every word shall be established." -- this is the Law of Witnesses.

So you're effectively a creationist who believes himself above both scientific propaganda and religious dogma?

I have to be. We are capable of the same feats. We create just as they did, the same rules apply to us as it applies to them. We can possibly create planets of our own, but it takes a great deal of knowledge we don't have yet. However, now, many of us use this knowledge to create unconsciously. As for myself, I created this thread consciously, so I knew what I was getting into.

hat's more, if Adam and Eve really existed as the Bible says, don't we all descend from Adam in pretty much every way we care to discuss?

This isn't a criticism. "Adam and Eve" is an allegory couple, representing more than just Adam and Eve.

I am quite aware of how the scientific method works. How do any of your examples relate to Atlantis? What experiments were performed to establish whether or not your ideas about Atlantis are correct?


Link to video.

Data on the Sphinx. Robert Shloch and Anthony West.


Link to video.

Inside the Great Pyramid, by Brien Foerster.


Link to video.

evidence of Ancient Machining, by Brien Foerster


Link to video.

Secrets of the Great Pyramid.


As for those that have questions about LaGrange Points:


Link to video.

Remembering the End of the World


Link to video.

Symbols of an Alien Sky

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Your Atlanteans must have forgotten to pay the electric bill. The videos are just black rectangles.
 
After reading this thread, I have a bunch of questions, feel free to answer them in your own time.

How was Atlantean society structured? What sort of government did they have? Were they the only advanced civilization, or were there others? If there were others, what sort of relation did Atlantis have with them? Why did their civilization collapse? What is the relation between Atlantis and early civilizations such as the Indus cities?

Q1. Presumably the same as ours. Although there was a pastoral culture.

Q2 and 3. It's entirely possible that there were different nations. Including Kingdoms, Republics, and Theocracies. There was several: Lemuria, Mu, Xang-gri-la, Kheftu, etc. etc.

Q4. Why? Violence.

Q5. You mean the ones that have more Radioactivity than they should have?
 
From your response to Ajidica's Q4, why did violence break out? Were they living a more or less peaceful existence before their collapse?
 
Q1. Presumably the same as ours. Although there was a pastoral culture.
What sort of evidence do you have for that claim? Did any Atlantean customs or rituals survive their collapse? If yes, what are those customs?
EDIT: Isn't pastoralism a bit at odds with the claim Atlantis was as technologically advanced as the modern world, if not more? You don't get high-tech development in pastoral, agrarian societies. The 'threshold' for human capital just isn't present.

Q2 and 3. It's entirely possible that there were different nations. Including Kingdoms, Republics, and Theocracies. There was several: Lemuria, Mu, Xang-gri-la, Kheftu, etc. etc.
Where they as advanced as Atlantis?

Q4. Why? Violence.
Echoing the question of Bootstoots, what is a likely factor that brought about this violence?
As a related question, what sort of weapons/military did Atlantis have?

Q5. You mean the ones that have more Radioactivity than they should have?
Could you please clarify what you mean by this?
 
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