Ask An Atlanteologist

[Valka D'Ur]

As much as I like Carl Sagan, you can click on the links below.

What is the connection between Carl Sagan and a comment that has as much sincerity as "Google it yourself" (a social faux pas on this forum, btw)?

But I see they've been fixed for you and some of them are movie length. Forgive me for not wishing to spend the rest of my birthday watching them, so I'll take a look tomorrow.

 

[EltonJ]

What sort of evidence do you have for that claim?

It's conjecture based on how human society works. If anything, human society tends to have the same cycle.[/quote]

Did any Atlantean customs or rituals survive their collapse? If yes, what are those customs?

The observance of the Sabbath. Every ancient culture observed the Sabbath.

EDIT: Isn't pastoralism a bit at odds with the claim Atlantis was as technologically advanced as the modern world, if not more? You don't get high-tech development in pastoral, agrarian societies. The 'threshold' for human capital just isn't present.

Yes, yes it is. Pastoralism existed in the early Age of Leo. It was only as Man progressed through the Age of Leo that the technology progressed. According to the artifacts that were recovered, they knew how to work iron, aluminum and all matter of metals, probably even titanium.

Where they as advanced as Atlantis?


Echoing the question of Bootstoots, what is a likely factor that brought about this violence?
As a related question, what sort of weapons/military did Atlantis have?


Could you please clarify what you mean by this?

Yes, but I'm answering all three below.

Mohenjo-Daro is the archaeological evidence of an ancient Nuclear strike. All of the bones have more radioactivity than they should have. Some of them who died were holding hands at the time of their death. Death was sudden for them. For a long time, they thought they had sword cuts, but the dead lied where they lay.

There is an impact site near the city, where the ground melted and made glass. When authorities heard of this theory, they couldn't believe it. But one of the developers of the Atomic Bomb was asked if that was the first time a nuclear explosion occurred. He said yes, but in our epoch.

There is even a theory that Mohenjo-Daro and other Indus Valley cities represented Sodom and Gommorrah, Zoar, and the other cities of the plain. Because of this connection, the theory said that Abraham and Sarah came out of the Indus Valley. This is a good alternative theory, but . . . Abraham wrote he came out of Ur of the Chaldees. Most everyone thinks this is the city of Uruk. But it could have been located in Georgia.

To get back to Atlantis:

Atlantis was capable of the same technology. They had nuclear weapons, and they mined their ore at a sight in Africa. The nations of the world exchanged nuclear weapons. The effects of this are the North American deserts and the North African, Sahara Desert.

 

[EltonJ]

What is the connection between Carl Sagan and a comment that has as much sincerity as "Google it yourself" (a social faux pas on this forum, btw)?

But I see they've been fixed for you and some of them are movie length. Forgive me for not wishing to spend the rest of my birthday watching them, so I'll take a look tomorrow.

Valka, look at your icon. That's Carl Sagan, smiling. I'd thought I'd pay homage to your avatar, and make a joke on you. Sorry you were so sensitive.

Can't you take a joke? Geeze. If you can't, then find a more somber Carl Sagan for your avatar.

 

[Bootstoots]

What's your source for increased radioactivity at Mohenjo-Daro? Can you provide a link?

A nuclear strike would leave a variety of radionuclides behind in unusually high concentrations, many of which are long-lived and would provide good evidence of any ancient nuclear explosion.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The observance of the Sabbath. Every ancient culture observed the Sabbath.

Even the ones who never heard of it?

Yes, yes it is. Pastoralism existed in the early Age of Leo. It was only as Man progressed through the Age of Leo that the technology progressed. According to the artifacts that were recovered, they knew how to work iron, aluminum and all matter of metals, probably even titanium.

What does astrology have to do with metallurgy?

Mohenjo-Daro is the archaeological evidence of an ancient Nuclear strike. All of the bones have more radioactivity than they should have. Some of them who died were holding hands at the time of their death. Death was sudden for them. For a long time, they thought they had sword cuts, but the dead lied where they lay.

There is an impact site near the city, where the ground melted and made glass. When authorities heard of this theory, they couldn't believe it. But one of the developers of the Atomic Bomb was asked if that was the first time a nuclear explosion occurred. He said yes, but in our epoch.

There is even a theory that Mohenjo-Daro and other Indus Valley cities represented Sodom and Gommorrah, Zoar, and the other cities of the plain. Because of this connection, the theory said that Abraham and Sarah came out of the Indus Valley. This is a good alternative theory, but . . . Abraham wrote he came out of Ur of the Chaldees. Most everyone thinks this is the city of Uruk. But it could have been located in Georgia.

To get back to Atlantis:

Atlantis was capable of the same technology. They had nuclear weapons, and they mined their ore at a sight in Africa. The nations of the world exchanged nuclear weapons. The effects of this are the North American deserts and the North African, Sahara Desert.

How odd that none of the sources I read when I studied Mohenjo-daro in college mentioned this. You'd think my anthropology/archaeology books would have mentioned it, yet none did.

A brief online search yielded these articles:

Mohenjo-daro
The Lost City of Mohenjo-daro - you'd think National Geographic would have mentioned ancient nuclear warfare if it were real, right?

And interestingly, this: Ancient Aliens Debunked


As for Carl Sagan, he had this to say: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." You have made extraordinary claims and provided no evidence whatsoever, other than some nonsensical TV show with no credibility.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Ahhh... The famous skeletons. They are neither from the same period, nor from the final times of Mohenjo-Daro, and were not at the street level but buried. also only 37 skeletons were found at the whole city. One may expect to find some more than 37 deads in a large nuked city. And i will provide a nice link too!

http://www.penn.museum/documents/publications/expedition/PDFs/6-3/The%20Mythical.pdf

In fact all this silly story comes from some false and conveniently unreferenced passages supposedly from the Mahabharata, quoted in some crappy books from the 70s written by Daniken and similars.

http://www.jasoncolavito.com/the-case-of-the-false-quotes.html

EDIT: crosspost

 

[Arakhor]

This isn't a criticism. "Adam and Eve" is an allegory couple, representing more than just Adam and Eve.

So, if they're an allegory couple, how on earth can be you genetically descended from Adam? Moreover, for someone who likes to refer to the Genesis story as "the Illuminati Creation Myth", it comes across as remarkably selective in your terms of use.

(Then again, that's no surprise, given that the PDF you linked to states explicitly that he means aliens throughout, though he is using a different term because' aliens' excites the wrong sort of media attention.)

And interestingly, this: Ancient Aliens Debunked

Well, that's pretty damning, isn't it?

 

[Flying Pig]

Atlantis was capable of the same technology. They had nuclear weapons, and they mined their ore at a sight in Africa. The nations of the world exchanged nuclear weapons. The effects of this are the North American deserts and the North African, Sahara Desert.

I'm afraid that Civ IV has been deceiving you about how nuclear weapons work.

 

[EltonJ]

I'm afraid that Civ IV has been deceiving you about how nuclear weapons work.

10 million degrees hot, a nuclear blast is a columb blast. The initial blast can dry out a human body and turn them into pillars of salt, depending on the proximity of the blast. The ones closest to the blast are the lucky ones, they simply vaporize. It can cause rocks to melt, sand to fuse into glass, and the radioactive minutia to fuse with the bomb's material and the dirt it throws up, creating fallout. Which has Strontium-90 in it (and two other elements).

The fallout soon follows wind patterns. Fallout falls to the ground however far it is carried. If it's too light, and too small, it can stay in the Stratosphere for decades. Perhaps centuries.

 

[Flying Pig]

10 million degrees hot, a nuclear blast is a columb blast. The initial blast can dry out a human body and turn them into pillars of salt, depending on the proximity of the blast. The ones closest to the blast are the lucky ones, they simply vaporize. It can cause rocks to melt, sand to fuse into glass, and the radioactive minutia to fuse with the bomb's material and the dirt it throws up, creating fallout. Which has Strontium-90 in it (and two other elements).

The fallout soon follows wind patterns. Fallout falls to the ground however far it is carried. If it's too light, and too small, it can stay in the Stratosphere for decades. Perhaps centuries.

No it can't.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

Christmas Island today. Dozens of nuclear test were conducted there in the 50s and 60s.

 

[EltonJ]

Now, the Hollow Earth.

Hollow Earth, pt 1.
I was presented with the Hollow Earth theory watching Jules Verne and reading fiction. As it was fiction, I brushed it aside. After all it's fiction, can't possibly be all true, now can it? However, in studying Pythagoras' (Ptahotep's) musical theory, something always comes up, the music of the spheres.

According to everyone that talks about musical theory, Pythagoras was trying to reproduce the music of the spheres. What was the music of the spheres? It turns out to be the configuration of planets presented in the David Talbot thesis. According to this, during the Age of Leo, the Planet Earth would vibrate white noise at a certain frequency.

The Earth would vibrate, and everyone could hear what the Earth was "singing." Sometimes it would be low, and sometimes it would be loud. The sound would be "eeeeeaaaaaoooooaaaaaeeee." Sing that fast, and the pronounciation in English would surprise you. If the planet were a hefty ball of rock, then it could not vibrate. However, it did, so the Earth has to be hollow.

The Earth has two openings, one at the geographical north pole, and one at the geographical south. The one on the south is covered by an ice sheet. Inside, however, is a beautiful land rich in life. At a certain point is a land from which four rivers flow. These rivers are the Pison, the Euphrates, the Tigris, and the Gihon. Eden is located in that confluence of rivers. It once was a garden, but now a great city occupies that place.

The center of the Earth is a ball of plasma. An inner sun that is described by those who witnessed it as a smoky god. The inner earth has an atmosphere, and no horizon. The land of the Earth is composed of outer crust, and a mantle, and a core, then a mantle, then an inner crust.

Part 2 coming next.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

is there anything you don't believe in?

 

[Flying Pig]

I think this thread has reached the point where Elton is making fun of us

 

[Ajidica]

An inner sun that is described by those who witnessed it as a smoky god.

How would an inner sun exist? A star requires the fusion of hydrogen* at very high temperatures and pressures. What lead those conditions to exist inside the Earth?
*Yeah, yeah, it also fuses helium and progressively heavier atoms until it is unable to fuse iron and then explodes.

 

[Samson]

I think this thread has reached the point where Elton is making fun of us

Yeah, that last post from EltonJ did make me think of Poe's Law

 

[ParkCungHee]

You're on the right track, but a few details are off. Agartha has a lot more than two openings. It has more than two openings that I've seen in New England. Anyway, Agartha isn't a place that exists in 3-Dimensional space, so all the talk about it being "inside the earth" is metaphorical.

 

[Flying Pig]

Yeah, that last post from EltonJ did make me think of Poe's Law

Interesting, I always thought that Poe's Law was named for Edgar Allan.

 

[Thorgalaeg]

The base for space ships from other galaxies is a bit more northwards in fact.

 

[ParkCungHee]

The base for space ships from other galaxies is a bit more northwards in fact.

Don't be silly. Aliens don't arrive in spaceships.