Atheists and attacking/vehemently questioning others' faith

[Perfection]

Mainly we only like to answer questions that are presented to us in a polite fashon.

1. Who do you mean by "we"?
2. What sorts of arguments do you fine impolite? Sometimes it seems that you classify all questions that force you to take a critical look at your faith as impolite.

 

[GenMarshall]

1. Who do you mean by "we"?

We as in the religious people who are tired of constantly arguing our faith to people who wont respect our own beliefs.

2. What sorts of arguments do you fine impolite? Sometimes it seems that you classify all questions that force you to take a critical look at your faith as impolite.

If the question is delivered in an agressive manner, then yes any such vehemedal questions that forces me to take a critical look at my faith is impolite. Dont forget, there are some people who dont want to take a critical look into their own faith.

 

[Perfection]

We as in the religious people who are tired of constantly arguing our faith to people who wont respect our own beliefs.

Why don't y'all quit arguing then?

If the question is delivered in an agressive manner, then yes any such vehemedal questions that forces me to take a critical look at my faith is impolite.

What constitutes overly agressive? It seems that you sometimes view honest frank questions as overly agressive.

Dont forget, there are some people who dont want to take a critical look into their own faith.

True, but then why are they debating atheists?

 

[Trajan12]

Seriously, Trajan and CivGeneral: If you present your faith in a debate forum where viewpoints are debated and questioned how can you possibly be surprised or irritated that they are debated?

When they are insulted and dismissed as fiction is when I get irritated. Ill gladly teach anyone about the Gospel as God commands me too. If you dont believe, say so, dont call it stupid or irrational.

 

[Perfection]

If you dont believe, say so, dont call it stupid or irrational.

The belief in God does seem irrational to atheists, though! Should we lie and pretend we don't hold this view?

 

[Trajan12]

Why don't y'all quit arguing then?

Why dont you do the same?

What constitutes overly agressive? It seems that you sometimes view honest frank questions as overly agressive.

For me anything that is insulting or implies that my religion is irrational.

True, but then why are they debating atheists?

Because it is a common assumption that they can say something and wont be insulted for it.

 

[Trajan12]

The belief in God does seem irrational to atheists, though! Should we lie and pretend we don't hold this view?

Dont look at it in such a condescending way. Its the saying that im irrational for believing this that gets me the most.

 

[GenMarshall]

What constitutes overly agressive? It seems that you sometimes view honest frank questions as overly agressive.

What constitutes overly agressive is when people openly criticize the other person's faith. In a sense to the religious person, its an attack on their identity implying that religious people are irrational.

True, but then why are they debating atheists?

Mainly religious posters just come in, say their peace and move on and there is a common belief that people would be respectful of your beliefs. On and off the forum.

 

[Perfection]

Why dont you do the same?

Because I enjoy arguing and am not tired of it!

For me anything that is insulting or implies that my religion is irrational.

What if we hold the view that your religion is irrational?

Should we just lie about how we think?

Because it is a common assumption that people will be respectful of your beliefs especially on a forum such as this.

That doesn't adress my question in its proper context (which is operating under the assumption that one does not want to question thier faith). If somone does not want think critically about thier own faith, why are they debating atheists?

 

[skadistic]

I see a problem here. Theists think that others should hold their thoughts in the same high regard. But don't tend to it them selves. Truth be told I don't have to respect your belief system. Either prove my asertions false or don't debate. You can't demand respect for unfounded theories and whine about it when you're confronted to provide evidence.

 

[Atlas14]

When you believe in someone/something that must be explained to you that it "exists" and has no observable proof in the history of mankind, how can you expect it not to become debated? Seriously, to all the religous people here, it would be like me saying, "I believe Capn' Crunch is a real being, and I worship him because he talks to me while I eat my cereal. I feel like we have a great connection." I mean seriously, we all have problems in life, some need the consolation that there is someone/something out there watching over them, while they take a dump, while they watch TV, while they take their math test, while they bungee jump, etc. Others accept the fact that they have never observed anything that might even remotely be interpreted as evidence for God, and that their problems in life are at least partly attributed to the entropic nature of life. I have no problem or issue with people believing in God or a creator, because I certainly do. But I find it unfathomable that peoples' ideas of God are he is an ACTIVE God, and constantly watching over us, and has "feelings and emotions" like us, and so on and so forth. What in the world would lead people to believing this? I have NEVER objectively observed anything that might remotely hint towards the possibility of an ACTIVE God. Sure it might feel nice to know there is one, or at least trick yourself into believing there is one. But honestly, if you do believe this because you've grown up with religion, or you find it to be true, I find myself thinking you are being illogical. I consider myself a very gullible person, as many people with a German lineage are, but this belief that is so popular, believing wholeheartedly in an ACTIVE God, has got to be the biggest mystery of them all. Forget about questioning how Stonehenge got to be where it is, forget how the ancient Egyptians could build such complex, massive pyramids, forget any other "mystery". The real mystery is how so much of mankind has tricked themselves into believing in an active God. The fact that there is a possibility of there being such a thing/God is irrelevant. The real issue is WHY these people would believe such a thing, and how they would, independently, without being told such a deity exists, come to believe in it.

 

[Perfection]

Dont look at it in such a condescending way. Its the saying that im irrational for believing this that gets me the most.

I'm not saying that you are irrational for believing your religion nor more irrational then an average person. We're all in-part irrational. What I do view is that religion is generally a irrational belief structure. While this view may not be liked by some, I wouldn't characterize it as particularly condescending.

 

[Perfection]

What constitutes overly agressive is when people openly criticize the other person's faith.

Religion should not be above criticism!

In a sense to the religious person, its an attack on their identity implying that religious people are irrational.

All people are irrational! Religious people just hold a particular irrational belief.

Mainly religious posters just come in, say their peace and move on and there is a common belief that people would be respectful of your beliefs. On and off the forum.

Respectful is not the same as uncritical.

 

[GenMarshall]

Religion should not be above criticism!

And what about atheism, should atheism not be above criticism?

All people are irrational! Religious people just hold a particular irrational belief.

How would you like it of a person said that atheism is an irrational belief? (Mind you this is a hypothetical scenario) Saying to a religious people that they hold an irrational belief, the religious person would no doubt be very offended.

 

[Sidhe]

Because I enjoy arguing and am not tired of it!

When you become tired of arguing you become tired of CFC.

What if we hold the view that your religion is irrational?

You can be respectful and still argue about beliefs, oddly I've tried it, as Civ said you'll get more out of honey than vinegar, make your points but don't insult those who differ, if they believe accept that and show where your differences lie, you don't need to use words like irrational and lacking in logic, because frankly saying that God does not exist absolutely is a different side of the same coin. Point out irregularities but don't preach your faith.

Should we just lie about how we think?

Good lord no, but subtelty'll earn you a better answer than outright condemnation. I refer the honourable gentleman to the argument I gave some moments ago.

That doesn't adress my question in its proper context (which is operating under the assumption that one does not want to question thier faith). If somone does not want think critically about thier own faith, why are they debating atheists?

Of course they do, but there are some ground rules, if you have disproved their argument about faith or a particular part of it then fair enough, but if you have just justified your own position without logically destroying the other, then what makes you think you have the right to pass judgement? then it's a little silly to say I am right and you are wrong.

I know most times you keep it logical Perfection, but sometimes you just assume something and leave yourself open to criticism.

And this is coming from someone who has no faith, that'd be the impartiality

 

[Trajan12]

Religion should not be above criticism!

All people are irrational! Religious people just hold a particular irrational belief.

Respectful is not the same as uncritical.

what about atheism?

 

[Atlas14]

And what about atheism, should atheism not be above criticism?

Being a skeptic is what leads to progression.

 

[skadistic]

And what about atheism, should atheism not be above criticism?Go for it I think you'll have a hard time making an argument that has merit.


How would you like it of a person said that atheism is an irrational belief? (Mind you this is a hypothetical scenario) Saying to a religious people that they hold an irrational belief, the religious person would no doubt be very offended.If you said ateism was irrational I'd tell you to back up your claims.

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[Trajan12]

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Sidhe basically summarized my argument.
I could just as easily say at least we have our story. Out of nowhere a huge bang happened and all of a sudden an apelike man rubs some sticks together and it goes on from there? How was there the whole Big Bang process as so creatively described in the textbooks possible unless something was already there? Someone would have to have created the nothingness? Were not the only ones with gaps in our stories.

 

[CartesianFart]

Religious people are nothing but .......... a person who denies questions that have many answers or that many things can't be understood.