Atlantis: What is it all about?

[Ziggy Stardust]

Some Nasca bird. 4 fingers on one, 4 on the other.

rock art ranch, Winslow Az. Big guy and little guy: no fingers on little guy, center bottom, 3 down, 3 or 4 up, right bottom 3 down, 3 down, right bottom, stumps.

This means something

 

[Berzerker]

not every image was meant to depict creation or the creator

the image from the Inca shows their creator Viracocha as an ellipse very much like the rock art ranch image above... an ellipse connecting or dividing 4 celestial objects from 5 above.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

I know, only those carefully cherry picked are relevant. The others you can wave your hand at and go: "move along, nothing to see here"

Because I can do science.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

not every image was meant to depict creation or the creator

the image from the Inca shows their creator Viracocha as an ellipse very much like the rock art ranch image above... an ellipse connecting or dividing 4 celestial objects from 5 above.

*listens to the sound of goalposts being moved*

 

[Berzerker]

But you were carrying on about Uranus. The article says nothing about Uranus.

here's what I said:

Our Moon's orbit is tilted, thats another mystery. Wanna guess how they're going about solving it?

https://www.science.org/content/article/how-moon-got-its-tilt-and-earth-got-its-gold

the link is to the mystery of the Moon's tilt and the heavy metals in Earth's crust

I've read the bible. It says zip-all about plate tectonics or the asteroid belt.

The Bible says the water preceded the dry land called "earth"... it did. Plate tectonics is the process that produced that dry land. And the asteroid belt plays a big role in the Bible, it is the 'firmament' called "Heaven". The hammered bracelet, the screen stretched out to divide the waters above from the waters below. This was where Marduk slayed Tiamat, the biblical Tehom. Half of her became the Earth and the other was left behind to mark the crossing place.

This is the location of the Norse creation too, where fire meets ice - the asteroid belt is the solar system's frost line. The heat and drive of the solar wind pushes water vapor outward and it condenses at the asteroid belt and becomes ice... or water... our water. Hmm...what is our water doin out at the asteroid belt?

 

[Berzerker]

I know, only those carefully cherry picked are relevant. The others you can wave your hand at and go: "move along, nothing to see here"

Because I can do science.

The people who made these images did the 'cherry picking'. Look at the Incan depiction of creation, Viracocha is the ellipse between 2 groups of objects, 4 below and 5 above. The asteroid belt divides the planets into 2 groups, 4 below and 5 above. I didn't cherry pick that image of Viracocha, the Inca did that for us.

Now if you say, okay, they made the image and called it Viracocha but that doesn't mean these other images represent the solar system or creation. Thats true, but the Nazca lived in the region before the Inca. If they're depicting I presume sacred 'animals' and we see two with hands of 4 and 5 fingers and we see Viracocha dividing 4 objects from 5 then we have continuation of a religious tradition. You posted a bird w/o the 4 and 5 digits, are you cherry picking? Some images will depict other things, like the great birds the gods used to bring people to N America.

The 9 Mile Canyon rock art shows an Indian with bow and arrow about to shoot the horned deity - the 6th in line after 5 sheep. Draw a line around that Indian and the horned deity and we have another ellipse dividing 4 sheep from 5. At Winslow the ellipse is the body of the god and his hands have 4 fingers down and 5 up.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It is all crap. Just because you, or others, can select particular parts and make up a story about those parts, while ignoring all the other parts, does not make your story true. The 20 things you put together to support Sitchin ignore 1000 other things that do not support Sitchin. The fact that you cannot and do not account for all the stuff you ignore is telling. Your story is crap.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

The people who made these images did the 'cherry picking'. Look at the Incan depiction of creation, Viracocha is the ellipse between 2 groups of objects, 4 below and 5 above. The asteroid belt divides the planets into 2 groups, 4 below and 5 above. I didn't cherry pick that image of Viracocha, the Inca did that for us.

Now if you say, okay, they made the image and called it Viracocha but that doesn't mean these other images represent the solar system or creation. Thats true, but the Nazca lived in the region before the Inca. If they're depicting I presume sacred 'animals' and we see two with hands of 4 and 5 fingers and we see Viracocha dividing 4 objects from 5 then we have continuation of a religious tradition. You posted a bird w/o the 4 and 5 digits, are you cherry picking? Some images will depict other things, like the great birds the gods used to bring people to N America.

The 9 Mile Canyon rock art shows an Indian with bow and arrow about to shoot the horned deity - the 6th in line after 5 sheep. Draw a line around that Indian and the horned deity and we have another ellipse dividing 4 sheep from 5. At Winslow the ellipse is the body of the god and his hands have 4 fingers down and 5 up.

That's an impressive load of bollocks

 

[Valka D'Ur]

here's what I said:



the link is to the mystery of the Moon's tilt and the heavy metals in Earth's crust



The Bible says the water preceded the dry land called "earth"... it did. Plate tectonics is the process that produced that dry land. And the asteroid belt plays a big role in the Bible, it is the 'firmament' called "Heaven". The hammered bracelet, the screen stretched out to divide the waters above from the waters below. This was where Marduk slayed Tiamat, the biblical Tehom. Half of her became the Earth and the other was left behind to mark the crossing place.

This is the location of the Norse creation too, where fire meets ice - the asteroid belt is the solar system's frost line. The heat and drive of the solar wind pushes water vapor outward and it condenses at the asteroid belt and becomes ice... or water... our water. Hmm...what is our water doin out at the asteroid belt?

Heard it all before, Berzerker. When are you going to post anything new, or at least relevant to what people ask you, or that they comment on?

If I did a search of an any online bible (there are many), the term "plate tectonics" will not be there. And considering that continental drift and plate tectonics was considered a newly-accepted thing not that many years before I started school (the hypothesis had been around for decades, but the theory wasn't accepted until the 1960s), do not sit there and tell me that a bunch of bronze-age people knew about it.

 

[Berzerker]

Some Nasca bird. 4 fingers on one, 4 on the other.

the wings are 5 and 6 fingers, the bird itself is the creator and 12th member of our solar system. Notice the Incan ellipse representing Viracocha dividing 4 planets from 5 planets with the sun and moon on either side - 12 in total.

The Toltec Heaven was comprised of 13 levels with their creator occupying 2 different levels. An elliptical 'creator' would fit that description. And the Toltec believed in 9 Lords of the Night, and the 9 worlds of the Norse tree Yggdrasil. Now that Norse cosmology is very interesting, creation occurred where fire meets ice - the asteroid belt.

It is all crap. Just because you, or others, can select particular parts and make up a story about those parts, while ignoring all the other parts, does not make your story true. The 20 things you put together to support Sitchin ignore 1000 other things that do not support Sitchin. The fact that you cannot and do not account for all the stuff you ignore is telling. Your story is crap.

Not everything in mythology is a depiction of creation and y'all are selecting particular parts that may not have anything to do with it, so why am I obliged to explain images you cherry pick?

Heard it all before, Berzerker. When are you going to post anything new, or at least relevant to what people ask you, or that they comment on?

If I did a search of an any online bible (there are many), the term "plate tectonics" will not be there. And considering that continental drift and plate tectonics was considered a newly-accepted thing not that many years before I started school (the hypothesis had been around for decades, but the theory wasn't accepted until the 1960s), do not sit there and tell me that a bunch of bronze-age people knew about it.

Plate tectonics is the term we use for the process that created dry land, the Bible says the dry land appeared after the water and before life. Pretty good for ignorant bronze age people, they were right and we're just figuring that out.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Not everything in mythology is a depiction of creation and y'all are selecting particular parts that may not have anything to do with it, so why am I obliged to explain images you cherry pick?

I haven't picked anything. You are the one selecting and discarding. You have a predefined solution and you just choose the parts that you think support that end. In science it would be called fraud or rigging. But you are not doing science, so it is just nonsense. You should spend more time at answers in genesis. They do the same thing.

 

[Birdjaguar]

 

[Berzerker]

I haven't picked anything. You are the one selecting and discarding. You have a predefined solution and you just choose the parts that you think support that end. In science it would be called fraud or rigging. But you are not doing science, so it is just nonsense. You should spend more time at answers in genesis. They do the same thing.

you just picked a 1000 things I've allegedly ignored

Y'all have discarded my evidence and selected other things that may not even be related to cosmology.

 

[Berzerker]

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and that diagram explains why our solar system is tilted

 

[Valka D'Ur]

The Toltec Heaven was comprised of 13 levels with their creator occupying 2 different levels. An elliptical 'creator' would fit that description. And the Toltec believed in 9 Lords of the Night, and the 9 worlds of the Norse tree Yggdrasil. Now that Norse cosmology is very interesting, creation occurred where fire meets ice - the asteroid belt.

The Toltecs believed in the Norse tree Yggdrasil?

I guess my anthropology prof was remiss in omitting that in the section of the course I took on Native North Americans that dealt with Mesoamerica. That's really odd, since he was a very thorough instructor.

Not everything in mythology is a depiction of creation and y'all are selecting particular parts that may not have anything to do with it, so why am I obliged to explain images you cherry pick?

You're the one making extraordinary claims. Where's your extraordinary evidence?

Plate tectonics is the term we use for the process that created dry land, the Bible says the dry land appeared after the water and before life. Pretty good for ignorant bronze age people, they were right and we're just figuring that out.

Plate tectonics explains the creation of mountains and volcanoes, and helps to explain how some types of animals - if not the exact species - are ubiquitous the world over and some others are unique to a single continent (like the really weird animals in Australia). Mixing and mingling during the times when the continents were large, and becoming isolated when they broke apart.

It isn't in the bible or any other holy text. The earliest reference I could find to anything to do with it was a comment in an article about Leonardo da Vinci, musing about mountains rising from the sea. I'm sure you know that Leonardo lived long after the bronze age.

answers in genesis

After watching anything on that channel I feel the immediate need to scrub my brain out with an AronRa video (at least his older material; I'm completely unimpressed with his most recent stuff).

you just picked a 1000 things I've allegedly ignored

Y'all have discarded my evidence and selected other things that may not even be related to cosmology.

You haven't provided any evidence! And now you're saying that some stuff that contradicts your interpretation might be unrelated... so why is it there, then?

I could find mysticism in an episode of the Flintstones. After all, Fred only has 3 toes on his feet. Three is a mystical number in a lot of mythologies.

There's meaning in that...

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Satellites in the asteroid belt?

and that diagram explains why our solar system is tilted

How?

 

[Birdjaguar]

It is a Sitchin diagram.

 

[Birdjaguar]

you just picked a 1000 things I've allegedly ignored

Y'all have discarded my evidence and selected other things that may not even be related to cosmology.

I could have said 10,000: any large number that represents all you have ignored. Your petroglyphs are just pictures on rocks and their story is not known. You just made up a story. There are lots of possible stories one could create from those carvings. No person knows the true one imagined by the artists.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

It is a Sitchin diagram.

No wonder it explains nothing.

 

[Berzerker]

The Toltecs believed in the Norse tree Yggdrasil?

I guess my anthropology prof was remiss in omitting that in the section of the course I took on Native North Americans that dealt with Mesoamerica. That's really odd, since he was a very thorough instructor.

Yes, the 9 worlds anyway and thats what the tree represents... But I meant to show how the #9 appeared in both Toltec and Norse cosmology. Did your professor tell you about Votan? He's a Central American god... and thats one of Odin's names. Woden, Wotan, Votan. Might be a connection, number nine... number nine ... number nine...number nine. But a recent diffusion.

Plate tectonics explains the creation of mountains and volcanoes, and helps to explain how some types of animals - if not the exact species - are ubiquitous the world over and some others are unique to a single continent (like the really weird animals in Australia). Mixing and mingling during the times when the continents were large, and becoming isolated when they broke apart.

It isn't in the bible or any other holy text. The earliest reference I could find to anything to do with it was a comment in an article about Leonardo da Vinci, musing about mountains rising from the sea. I'm sure you know that Leonardo lived long after the bronze age.

What started plate tectonics? Remember the link to the mystery of the Moon's tilt? Mass totaling 60-120% of the Moon hit the Earth in a series of collisions disrupting the Moon's tilt... or maybe... the collisions changed the Earth's tilt. This battering happened about 4 bya, for how long idk but thats what caused plate tectonics.

The crust was plastered releasing rock and water and when things settled down Earth had less water and a thinner crust with multiple 'bubbles' of especially dense 'rock' sinking into the mantle. Researchers have found evidence this happened by studying seismic waves traveling thru the mantle, these blobs of hotter and denser material came from impacts.

When something hits the Earth it drives plate tectonics. A rock about 6 miles wide hit Mexico ~66 mya and it triggered a vast eruption of magma on the other side of the world in India. When 50-100 mile wide rocks hit the Earth the denser material sinks into the mantle churning up material sending it to the surface. Impacts started plate tectonics.


Thats why the Moon's face is a vast impact basin, the material hitting it was dense. The side of the Moon facing us is denser and lower in elevation than the far side. Maybe that was the side facing the incoming rogue planet and its moons when the Earth was hit several times. The end result was plate tectonics and life. God's "Light" produced day and night, thats a collision spinning this world.

You haven't provided any evidence! And now you're saying that some stuff that contradicts your interpretation might be unrelated... so why is it there, then?

How does that other stuff contradict my interpretation? Not every image on a wall of rock art will depict the same thing, Look at the Incan depiction of their creation story, Viracocha is an ellipse. I didn't interpret that, the Inca said its Viracocha. So now we have an idea how Viracocha may be represented by past cultures like the Nazca ground images of animals with 4-5 and 5-6 fingers.

No wonder it explains nothing.

it explains all sorts of oddities about the solar system, from a tilted asteroid belt to planets that dont orbit the Sun's equatorial plane. They've been dragged off it by a large planet with an elliptical inclined orbit. I'm sure these people looking for the 9th planet are aware of Sitchin and I'll bet they're focusing on the southern hemisphere.

 

[Birdjaguar]

it explains all sorts of oddities about the solar system, from a tilted asteroid belt to planets that dont orbit the Sun's equatorial plane. They've been dragged off it by a large planet with an elliptical inclined orbit. I'm sure these people looking for the 9th planet are aware of Sitchin and I'll bet they're focusing on the southern hemisphere.

Orbit[edit]
Planet Nine was initially hypothesized to follow an elliptical orbit around the Sun with an eccentricity of 0.2 to 0.5, and its semi-major axis was estimated to be 400 to 800 AU,https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine#cite_note-32 roughly 13 to 26 times the distance from Neptune to the Sun. It would take the planet between 10,000 and 20,000 years to make one full orbit around the Sun, and its inclination to the ecliptic, the plane of the Earth's orbit, was projected to be 15° to 25°.[2][31][C] The aphelion, or farthest point from the Sun, would be in the general direction of the constellation of Taurus,[32] whereas the perihelion, the nearest point to the Sun, would be in the general direction of the southerly areas of Serpens (Caput), Ophiuchus, and Libra.

Mass and radius[edit]
The planet is estimated to have 5 to 10 times the mass of Earth and a radius of 2 to 4 times Earth's.[2] Brown thinks that if Planet Nine exists, its mass is sufficient to clear its orbit of large bodies in 4.5 billion years, the age of the Solar System, and that its gravity dominates the outer edge of the Solar System, which is sufficient to make it a planet by current definitions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_Nine