Atlantis: What is it all about?

Was Atlantis real?


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Naw dawgs its GOD, God can create day and night BEFORE the Sun you need to stop thinking and be like Berzerker
Also GOD was a ****** because he made a seperate light for the night time (even though its the same light, being reflected from the moon)

1) Perform mental gymnastic for us berzerker
2) Use logic and science to draw the obvious conclusion
 
No, same mythology... The Enuma Elish creation epic says Tiamat was the watery dragon (biblical tehom, the deep) and it preceded land and life. The people who gave us the biblical version were careful about their attributions, they would have been at odds with every culture around them had they claimed God created the Sun and Moon. What the myths say is God created the sky, land and life in that order. The monotheists compiling Genesis tried to edit out embarrassing information while keeping the essence of the story intact and they did a decent job.
Whoa.
  • 3.8 billion years ago Plate tectonics begins. There is no life, no people.
  • 400,000 years ago The Anunnaki show up on earth and generically engineer humans
  • Sumer civ arises ~3000 BCE and writing appears about then
  • The earliest known copies of the Enuma Elish date back to Babylon ~2000 BCE but indicate that they are copies of the stories that go back to the Sumerians
  • Genesis was written anywhere between 1400 BCE and 500 BCE, depending upon one's beliefs.
How did the knowledge of the origin of plate tectonics get transferred 3.8 billion years ago to the Sumerians? Was it through the Anunnaki? How did the Anunnaki get such knowledge of earth?
 
God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Sun was already there on the 1st day. Notice how night preceded day? Thats because the world described in Gen 1:2 was covered by water and darkness and ended up with the Sun and Moon dominating our sky by the 4th day. There is a scientific explanation for that - this world didn't form here, it was moved here closer to the Sun from a more distant orbit. One where neither Sun or Moon dominated the sky because it was much darker.

And thats where our water came from, the solar system's 'frost line' divides the asteroid belt into a wetter outer belt and drier inner belt, this is where gas condensed into water. Now thats interesting given the Norse belief creation happened where fire and ice meet.

God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night.

The terminology suggests these were not created but appropriated or became relevant as a result of creating Earth, Genesis was describing our sky. As a result of creation God made the Sun and the Moon govern our sky.



No, same mythology... The Enuma Elish creation epic says Tiamat was the watery dragon (biblical tehom, the deep) and it preceded land and life. The people who gave us the biblical version were careful about their attributions, they would have been at odds with every culture around them had they claimed God created the Sun and Moon. What the myths say is God created the sky, land and life in that order. The monotheists compiling Genesis tried to edit out embarrassing information while keeping the essence of the story intact and they did a decent job.

I know this is better suited for the Atlantis thread, but I do like posting scientific news corroborating the Bible
Except it doesn't. The Moon looks like it's shining due to reflected light. It doesn't shine on its own.
 
Naw dawgs its GOD, God can create day and night BEFORE the Sun you need to stop thinking and be like Berzerker
Also GOD was a ****** because he made a seperate light for the night time (even though its the same light, being reflected from the moon)

1) Perform mental gymnastic for us berzerker
2) Use logic and science to draw the obvious conclusion

The science says water preceded land (plate tectonics) and life, so does the Bible. And the Bible says the creation of night and day were the 1st day, that means the world was rotating in the presence of the Sun. That provides us with a clue about the nature of the interaction between God's 'wind' and the proto-Earth in Gen 1:2 - it was a collision. The Epic of Creation speaks of God's winds as weapons used by Marduk to slay Tiamat and describes their creation as the product of interactions with the outer planets, especially Uranus, a large gas giant now on it's side.

We've been taught it was the collision with 'Theia' that created Earth's spin, but there's a problem with that idea - the Moon doesn't orbit the Earth's equatorial plane. Something happened to the Earth-Moon system later on, something that made the Sun and Moon dominate our sky - a change in the Earth's orbital distance from the Sun would do that. And thats why our water came from the asteroid belt where the world in Gen 1:2 formed (surrounded by water), new research shows the Theia impact occurred in the presence of water.

Except it doesn't. The Moon looks like it's shining due to reflected light. It doesn't shine on its own.

Lighthouses back then reflected light, the light in one's eye reflects light. People did not limit the concept of light to your definition.

Whoa.
  • 3.8 billion years ago Plate tectonics begins. There is no life, no people.
  • 400,000 years ago The Anunnaki show up on earth and generically engineer humans
  • Sumer civ arises ~3000 BCE and writing appears about then
  • The earliest known copies of the Enuma Elish date back to Babylon ~2000 BCE but indicate that they are copies of the stories that go back to the Sumerians
  • Genesis was written anywhere between 1400 BCE and 500 BCE, depending upon one's beliefs.
How did the knowledge of the origin of plate tectonics get transferred 3.8 billion years ago to the Sumerians? Was it through the Anunnaki? How did the Anunnaki get such knowledge of earth?

They figured it out like we're doing now
 
Lighthouses back then reflected light, the light in one's eye reflects light. People did not limit the concept of light to your definition.
Archaeology and history disagree with you.

If lighthouses "reflected" light, where was the light they reflected? The earliest lighthouses, according to the article I linked, were piles of wood, many on columns of stone, and were lit on fire. If they had to wait to "reflect" anything, the ships would have been in a hell of a lot more trouble than they were.

They figured it out like we're doing now
So the Anunnaki had benefit of the International Space Station and ground-penetrating radar and advanced excavation techniques? They knew about radioactive dating techniques to tell how old everything around them was?

No, don't answer that. I don't want to hear even more wild stories.
 
Archaeology and history disagree with you.

If lighthouses "reflected" light, where was the light they reflected? The earliest lighthouses, according to the article I linked, were piles of wood, many on columns of stone, and were lit on fire. If they had to wait to "reflect" anything, the ships would have been in a hell of a lot more trouble than they were.

So the Anunnaki had benefit of the International Space Station and ground-penetrating radar and advanced excavation techniques? They knew about radioactive dating techniques to tell how old everything around them was?

No, don't answer that. I don't want to hear even more wild stories.

Your article says mirrors were used to reflect fire. I dont know what the Anunnaki had, but somebody told our ancient ancestors water preceded land and life.


Zircon crystals are the oldest datable terrestrial material we have and they formed in water 4.4 bya. Now researchers are claiming water was present with the Theia impact that formed the Moon, some even argue the Earth formed surrounded by water. They're right...
 
LMAO
The mental gynmestics is hilarious

Earth created before Stars
God created Friut Trees before the he created the Sun
Birds before Whales
 
I dont know what the Anunnaki had, but somebody told our ancient ancestors water preceded land and life.
According to you, the spacefaring, technologically superior, Anunnaki were on earth for 400,000 years and yet left no trace behind that cannot be more easily attributed to humans. We have not found any spaceships, rare metal objects, depleted gold mines, strange written languages, skeletons, buildings, tools, etc. Nothing. Their home planet cycles through the solar system every 3600 years has never been seen or recorded. The Anunnaki evolved on a goldilocks planet that has an orbit far longer and further than that of our known outer planets, but that planet evolved life and human like life far sooner and faster than on earth in spite of being far colder and darker than earth during centuries of of being far out side of our solar system.

And exactly how do we know that they even existed? The story on a few clay tablets that were reimagined by a man to enrich himself by taking money from ignorant people. I have read the Enuma Elish and it is fantasy from beginning to end.
 
LMAO
The mental gynmestics is hilarious

Earth created before Stars
God created Friut Trees before the he created the Sun
Birds before Whales

Birds are older than whales and the Sun was present on the 1st day, it came to dominate our sky on the 4th day. it's interesting Genesis says God was preceded by a dark, water covered world. The monotheists compiling the Bible knew "Tiamat" preceded God/Marduk. As for the stars, Genesis is describing the Earth's new sky. Same deal with the Sun and Moon, the various lights we see in the sky were not created, they're just visible from land (earth) and therefore made relevant.

God made them appear the way they appear because God changed the orbit of the proto-Earth in Gen 1:2 - that dark water covered world was now spinning closer to the Sun making both the Sun and Moon dominate our sky. The seed of life came from impactors, panspermia... This happened out at the asteroid belt when the early Sun was weaker, where science has confirmed the existence of the solar system's 'frost line' as water vapor blown by the solar wind condensed into ice right where the Norse place creation:

"Before there was soil, or sky, or any green thing, there was only the gaping abyss of Ginnungagap. This chaos of perfect silence and darkness lay between the homeland of elemental fire, Muspelheim, and the homeland of elemental ice, Niflheim" (any relation to the biblical Nephilim?)

Thats where the proto-Earth formed, between fire and ice and blowing heat melts ice. Thats why the inner asteroid belt is dry and the outer is wet.

water/darkness (solar system's frost line)
God's 'wind' (LHB impactors)
light (the resulting collision(s))
night and day (impacted water world spins) - 1st Day
heaven/sky/firmament (the asteroid belt) - 2nd Day
Seas and Land (plate tectonics)
the seed of life (very soon afterward) - 3rd Day
lights in the sky (new orbit, new sky) - 4th Day
sea life and birds (winged critters?) - 5th Day
other critters and us - 6th Day

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis 1&version=NIV
 
Birds are older than whales and the Sun was present on the 1st day, it came to dominate our sky on the 4th day. it's interesting Genesis says God was preceded by a dark, water covered world. The monotheists compiling the Bible knew "Tiamat" preceded God/Marduk. As for the stars, Genesis is describing the Earth's new sky. Same deal with the Sun and Moon, the various lights we see in the sky were not created, they're just visible from land (earth) and therefore made relevant.
Birds are descended from dinosaurs, which preceded mammals as the dominant species.

So let me get this straight: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth... but waitaminute, earth was already there? So why did he have to create it if it was already created?

As for the Sun and Moon being visible only from land, that's going to confuse the hell out of everyone who's ever taken a photo of either of them from a boat (that's one of the things people do on eclipse cruises - take pictures of the Sun when it's in totality). It's especially going to confuse NASA and everyone else who ever took a picture of either the Sun or Moon from a rocket, shuttle, probe, or telescope in orbit.

Sorry, but this is not a site that contains credible science.
 
Birds are descended from dinosaurs, which preceded mammals as the dominant species.

So let me get this straight: In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth... but waitaminute, earth was already there? So why did he have to create it if it was already created?

As for the Sun and Moon being visible only from land, that's going to confuse the hell out of everyone who's ever taken a photo of either of them from a boat (that's one of the things people do on eclipse cruises - take pictures of the Sun when it's in totality). It's especially going to confuse NASA and everyone else who ever took a picture of either the Sun or Moon from a rocket, shuttle, probe, or telescope in orbit.

Sorry, but this is not a site that contains credible science.

Birds are on a reptilian line that includes dinosaurs, small feathered raptors had the ability to run, leap and glide and the technique was so successful it led to powered flight.

"In the beginning" is a title describing what God created. Earth is the name God gave to the dry land revealed when the waters below the sky were gathered together to form Seas. Thats why Gen 1:2 says the Earth was not yet Earth but in a different state - submerged by the waters of the deep - not dry land yet. Many myths from around the world claim the land was raised up or brought out of the primordial waters. I didn't mean you have to be on land to see the Sun, just that the people who gave us the story lived on land 'created' by God. No land, no us to see the sky.
 
lmao

Then moron GOD forgot he created animals first and humans second in Geneis 1, but in Genesis 2 God created Humans before animals

1) God is moron and cant even decide which he, himself created first (animals or humans)
2) Use history and Logic and more then 1 brain cell to realise that there are actual 3 creation stories in the Bible and they all came from different religons
 
Here is a more detailed comparison of the two versions of creation.
Why Are There Two Different Creation Accounts in the Bible?

Have you ever noticed that in the creation story in Genesis 1 the last thing created was humanity, while in Genesis 2 the human was nearly the first creation created even before plants and animals? Why don't they agree? Most people reading the Bible don't even notice the differences. The answer of why isn't immediately obvious, at least not in English, unless you carefully compare the texts.

First, let's do a comparison of what is called the first creation account (Genesis 1.1 2.4a) and the second (Genesis 2.4b-23). The first account is certainly better known, though most readers tend to blur the stories. In Genesis 1 the first thing created is (1) the heavens, the earth, and light. This is followed by (2) a separation of the earth from the sky (actually a separation of the waters of chaos that were thought to surround the sky and the disk-like earth). Then (3) dry land and vegetation, (4) sun, moon, and stars, (5) birds and fish, and (6) land animals and the humans (both male and female).

The second account is quite different (see figure 1). Genesis 2 doesn't use time specifications, there is no "On the first day God created. . . ." Instead, the account begins with a statement that the earth and heavens were created. Verse 5 tells us no plants yet grew on the earth because there had been no rain and there were no humans to till the ground. Next God creates a human. This first created being was literally an androgynous human without gender, having neither maleness nor femaleness in the Hebrew. Then God plants a garden for the human to tend. God then decides this lone human needs a helper, a companion, and creates all the animals for the human to inspect, name, and decide if a helper has been created. When no suitable companion is found, God literally "splits the adam" and the results are a male and a female, both specifically gendered in Hebrew.

Okay, a side-by-side comparison of the two accounts shows significant differences. Why?

For those doing this study from most translations, including King James, Revised Standard, and the New International to name only a few, the answer is suggested by a comparison of the names of God between chapters 1 and 2. If you look at the name in the first chapter you'll see only the word "God used never Lord, Lord God, or anything else. But in 2.4b through chapter 5 the term LORD God is used (note the capital letters in most translations indicating the Hebrew Yahweh, the personal name of God). The difference between the names for God in the two chapters is the clue as to "why."

Early tradition taught that Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible even though the books nowhere indicate Moses as the author. However, in the 18th century a French physician named Astruc noted the differences in the divine names of God in Genesis. From his findings it was postulated there must have been two authors to Genesis.

Since then scholars generally agree that the first five books of the Bible weren't written by Moses, but by at least four different writers. These different gooks or accounts were gathered around the fourth century BCE and then combined and edited by a fifth writer or group of writers. The results of the editors' work is what we have come to know as the Pentateuch, literally the five books, the first of which is the book of Genesis.

That is why there are two different accounts there were two different authors sharing different traditions. The first account tells of a God who is orderly and powerful. The second account is more concerned with sharing a personal and responsive God to the humans and to creation. Both accounts speak of the same God. Both share important aspects about God. And both accounts are valid and helpful in our understanding of creation's relationship with the Creator.
 
I'll say again, I guess a decade or so later, that if you randomly generate numbers, then being 'surprised' that some of the numbers are in their correct relative position in the number line isn't appropriate

1 2 4 6 3 8 7 9

"Omg, one and two are correct!" isn't a useful observation. Neither is saying "notice how eight is before nine!"

And if people knew that 1 & 2 were near the front, there's a 50% chance they'll be in correct numerical order

There are a limited number of ways that numbers can be randomly arranged, and most of those arrangements will have patterns that 'seem correct' if the criteria is loose enough.
 
Okay, a side-by-side comparison of the two accounts shows significant differences. Why?

For those doing this study from most translations, including King James, Revised Standard, and the New International to name only a few, the answer is suggested by a comparison of the names of God between chapters 1 and 2. If you look at the name in the first chapter you'll see only the word "God used never Lord, Lord God, or anything else. But in 2.4b through chapter 5 the term LORD God is used (note the capital letters in most translations indicating the Hebrew Yahweh, the personal name of God). The difference between the names for God in the two chapters is the clue as to "why."

The reason is the God of creation was a planet, Adam's God was the Anunnaki or the various gods people all over the world claim exist. The two often get blurred together but show up in the different terminology used by people to describe different aspects of existence.

lmao

Then moron GOD forgot he created animals first and humans second in Geneis 1, but in Genesis 2 God created Humans before animals

1) God is moron and cant even decide which he, himself created first (animals or humans)
2) Use history and Logic and more then 1 brain cell to realise that there are actual 3 creation stories in the Bible and they all came from different religons

The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”

19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

This story is about the Garden, not life on Earth.

Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky.

These were incompatible, its a story about our evolutionary departure from the animals ending with the knowledge of good and evil.
 
The reason is the God of creation was a planet, Adam's God was the Anunnaki or the various gods people all over the world claim exist. The two often get blurred together but show up in the different terminology used by people to describe different aspects of existence.
How could he be a planet before he created planets?

Oh, so you're saying that Adam didn't worship God, but rather one of the made-up gods that God's other created people created, in spite of the original family consisting of Adam, Eve, and two male offspring.

Serious incest going on there, not to mention inbreeding. But come to think of it, I don't remember anything in the Ten Commandments that actually prohibits incest. You're just supposed to honor your parents and not covet your neighbor's wife.

But after that, there's suddenly conflicting verses that gets Henry VIII so confused that he divorces and abandons one wife and lets himself be persuaded to falsely charge his second wife with witchcraft and adultery and claim later that he shouldn't have married Anne Boleyn because he'd had an earlier affair with her sister Mary (that may or may not have produced biological children).

So much goalpost-moving... :shake:

And somehow space aliens and Marduk and Louis Vuitton handbags are tied into this.
 
This story is about the Garden, not life on Earth. .

^ lol
So you havent even bothered to even read the Bible or this is cognetivtive dissodence as you twist yourself into a pretzel.
(Iam being harsh, sorry berzerker but this is just too amusing)

4 This is the account of the heavens and the earth when they were created, when the Lord God made the earth and the heavens.
= Genesis 2 New International Version

1) God is a moron because he says this is how he created the Universe
2) God is a internet Troll aka Loki the trickster God, whom likes to play cruel tricks on mortals
3) We use logic, history and science to draw the right conclusions that the Bible is wrong
 
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How could he be a planet before he created planets?

Oh, so you're saying that Adam didn't worship God, but rather one of the made-up gods that God's other created people created, in spite of the original family consisting of Adam, Eve, and two male offspring.

Serious incest going on there, not to mention inbreeding. But come to think of it, I don't remember anything in the Ten Commandments that actually prohibits incest. You're just supposed to honor your parents and not covet your neighbor's wife.

But after that, there's suddenly conflicting verses that gets Henry VIII so confused that he divorces and abandons one wife and lets himself be persuaded to falsely charge his second wife with witchcraft and adultery and claim later that he shouldn't have married Anne Boleyn because he'd had an earlier affair with her sister Mary (that may or may not have produced biological children).

So much goalpost-moving... :shake:

And somehow space aliens and Marduk and Louis Vuitton handbags are tied into this.

The god responsible for 'creating' heaven and earth was a planet, a reference to it can be found in the Enuma Elish - Neberu.

The name Beru is of interest, it came from coastal Peruvians the Spanish encountered before conquering the Inca further up in the mountains, hence Peru. The Inca were preceded by coastal peoples, Nazca and going back even further, Caral built 2600 BC and abandoned in 1800 BC. Further south about that time a 9.5 quake produced a tsunami that wiped out the coastline and it took up to a 1000 years for people to return to coastal living. I dont know if that was why it was abandoned but the timing of pyramids in Egypt and Peru shortly after Sumerians were building a tower to reach God could be seen as a recent diffusion.

https://phys.org/news/2022-04-megathrust-earthquake-tsunami-years-hunter-gathers.html

102 The Son, the Sun-god, the Sun-god of the gods.'
103 He was clothed with the aura of the Ten Gods, so exalted was his strength,
104 The Fifty Dreads were loaded upon him.
105 Anu formed and gave birth to the four winds,
106 He delivered them to him, "My son, let them whirl!"

Ten Gods... and Anu (Uranus) gave him 4 whirling winds (moons). Something turned Uranus on its side, maybe that something was a planet destined to hit the proto Earth at the asteroid belt pushing part of it closer to the Sun. I think thats what the Enuma Elish and Bible are telling us.

Thats why the Sun and Moon came to rule the Earth's sky on the 4th day, the Earth's sky was much different in Gen 1:2, darkness and water, the primeval chaos with "God" bringing order. Before Marduk arrived the outer planets were migrating about disturbing Tiamat's orbit.

As for Adam, the gods ("let us make man in our image, male and female") made people on the 6th day. The next chapter tells the story of one of those people and his lineage. Who did Cain marry? A woman made on the 6th day. Course these aren't days, the 6 days of creation come from the Enuma Elish version with Marduk passing by 5 outer gods to slay Tiamat (the 6th planet) pushing her remains here becoming the 7th planet. There are 6 planets between the Earth and Neberu.

^ lol
So you havent even bothered to even read the Bible or this is cognetivtive dissodence as you twist yourself into a pretzel.
(Iam being harsh, sorry berzerker but this is just too amusing)



1) God is a moron because he says this is how he created the Universe
2) God is a internet Troll aka Loki the trickster God, whom likes to play cruel tricks on mortals
3) We use logic, history and science to draw the right conclusions that the Bible is wrong

The story is not about the universe, just our neck of the woods and how life came to exist here.
 
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