ATTN Firaxis: New patch in the works?

[White Elk]

I agree with everything you've said jray, except that I think Firaxis has more to lose than a "very little financial penalty" if they do with BTS as they did with Warlords. I for one will most definitely not pre-order the next Civ title if they do that. And from what I have read on these forums I will not be alone. I will wait and watch the forums and then if that new release has problems I will wait the long wait and see what the patch does. If that goes as these have gone then I will not purchase the game and will likely turn my back on the series.

Already I have begun to immerse myself into the realm of RTS and FPS games. There once was a time when Civ was the only computer game I played (well besides a little chess and poker along with some occasional Diablo and AOE). I even pre-ordered Age of Empires III the same day as Civ4 but didn't start playing it till after the final Warlords patch. Now I'm getting into Battlefield 2, Diablo 2 and back into AOE. And I will soon explore Galactic Civilizations which might altogether replace my need to Civ. And my Warlords experiance, along with reading fan forums, kept me from purchasing Pirates! and Railroad Tycoons. And I was gonna gift a copy of Railroads to my father but didn't want to gift him a bundle of frustration. I have also stopped gifting, and have stopped trying to get my non-civing friends into the world of Civ. And like I said earlier I know I am not alone in all of this. I think Firaxis has a bit more to lose than just a "very little financial penalty".


But your right, I am quite thankful for both the modding community and for Firaxis making this game so moddable. I do forsee many more hours of playing Ryhes mod and I very much look forward to future versions of FfH2.. along with some other mods still in development. So if the modders can continue to work around the issues of BTS, then I do know that no matter what Firaxis does, the game was still worth the investment.

 

[Troymk1]

Hmmm.... maybe if you PM'd a mod, they could stop the "usual suspects" from forcing you to open and read threads you find troublesome. I know I hate it when anonymous posters compel me to read their horrible, horrible posts. Speak up for your rights and demand satisfaction!

Just for that I'm not eating at Chik Fillet today!

 

[bovinespy]

Just for that I'm not eating at Chik Fillet today!

I should hope not! I don't think your shift supervisor at Mickey D's would be happy to see you supporting the competition.

 

[JBConquests]

It's too bad that alexman stopped posting because of flaming on these boards. It would be nice if we all learned and practiced the difference between Flaming vs. Criticizing vs. Constructive Feedback. Flaming and criticizing are not necessary. Providing constructive feedback is healthy. The difference between these 3 are now what you say but how you say it.

It is easy to slip into criticizing and flaming - I know i have in the past and i always regret it. I didn't always intend to but when I re-read my post, I realize that I came off that way.

I believe that we get much farther with Constructive Feedback than we do with flaming or criticizing.

I hope this post is viewed as Constructive feedback versus criticizing.

 

[mrt144]

i'd say they should keep quiet about any new patch in the works, simply to quell the people who acted immature. They should release a change list hte day before the patch is released.

 

[Zhahz]

Firaxis could always put news on their gimpy as hell official site instead of having employees leak info on forums, where they can be grilled/flamed/fried/loved/whatever. Firaxis' lack of communication is pretty pathetic in this day and age, especially considering how popular Civ is and how much money they make off of it. It's not like their some one-off dev that loses money and folds - and STILL has a better site and better communication.

 

[warpstorm]

I voted for yes, since I cannot agree with Warpstorm.

At least we know where we stand

I'm liking how Valve has been patching their products lately. Silently and frequently. Every few days you get a small patch to TF2 with no warning.

 

[Cabay Jet]

My informer inside Firaxis just told me that they fired the cleaning lady who was in charge of assembling the patch on a part-time basis after her regular work of cleaning the offices. So there won't be another patch, sorry folks

Also, you might be pleased to know that Firaxis has indeed a large department solely occupied with game testing. The only problem is they outsourced this to Bangladesh to save money and the testers don't have any computers. So they just read the machine code and process it in their brains which makes for rather slow testing.

Let me guess, the code is in English isn't it?

 

[Legal_My_Deagle]

People like IronCrown are why the rest of us are not going to get any more pre-release announcements and information.

Lets all thank IronCrown.

 

[Troymk1]

I should hope not! I don't think your shift supervisor at Mickey D's would be happy to see you supporting the competition.

funny bugger.

 

[LLollapalooza]

He got flamed, so he left and stopped posting. Simple really. Wether the flaming was deserved or not is not important

That abysmal Firaxis guy got the reaction he deserved. No wonder he run away with the tail between his legs.

Moderator Action: Warned! - Flaming
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=422889

- only the consequences of the actions are (important).

That is disputable. On this matter, people are broadly divided into two camps:

CONSEQUENTIALISTS say that actions should be evaluated only in terms of their outcomes.

DEONTOLOGISTS object that the rightness of an action is not merely determined by its consequences.

My two cents: deontologism is less controversial than consequentialism.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

I agree that things got real sour after an ETA was announced and then was passed without much further comment (btw some of that sourness went much deeper than alexmans post.. that was just a straw that broke the camels back.. for some anyway). But at this point even just an acknowledgment of further patching would go along way towards mending this rift between Firaxis and some of their irritated fans. No ETA just acknowledgment that a patch is in the works. It would be great if that happened here at CFC, but at the very least there should be an announcement at the official website. Then fans will share it around and the CivCom will be made aware.

I agree. It is not rude, ungrateful or somehow villainous to express one's desire for an official announcement that a patch to deal with the new (few but annoying) bugs will be forthcoming, that they are working on it.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

Even assuming you were actually "obligated"... Were you obligated to do so in a 3rd party venue? Were you obligated to take out a newspaper ad, for example, decrying the company? If you saw someone who worked at the company relaxing at the bar, were you obligated to attack them? Or were you simply obligated to take it up with the company themselves.

These forums are not run by Firaxis. They are not Firaxis/Take Two property. While some Firaxis members do post here (or did), they don't do so as Firaxis representitives. Therefore this is not the proper venue to "complain". Either email Firaxis/Take Two directly, or write them a letter, call them, whatever you wish. But attacking them here is not the proper behaviour.

Bh

With all respect, I hope you are not saying that *all* criticism of Firaxis automatically consitutes "attacking them". Of course people at a site dedicated to a certain game are perfectly entitled to voice dissatisfaction with aspects of the game, or with the behaviour of the company producing it.

 

[Troymk1]

I'm a late comer to Civ fanatics. But I've had a great time reading the strategies and various threads.


Also had fun castigating those I thought worthy.

But this takes the cake

That abysmal Firaxis guy got the reaction he deserved. No wonder he run away with the tail between his legs.

If this poster had taken the few minutes I took to look at that gent's posts he may have realised that this 'abysmal' person had been faithfully tracking bug reports and taking our save games in to work for some many months.

Dear Reader, I'm not sure which expletive best fits this, so insert your culture's favourite OK?

 

[Öjevind Lång]

And what about the rights of those sick of reading these posts by the usual suspects over and over?

You may note that I said there would be bugs within the patch and there is.

This isn't console gaming.

Is their beta testing solid? Not recently. It seems they lack manpower....where are their offices??

I'm begging everybody on my knees: Please don't start another flame war. Please avoid personal attacks and phrases such as "the usual suspects", "a small minority", "fanboys", "whiners", whatever.

I think a new patch would be nice. It obviously wouldn't need to be huge like the recent one. I also think it would be nice with an announcement that such a patch will be forthcoming at some point. I also think it would make sheer business sense for Firaxis not to "punish" the posters at CFC for their "ingratitude" by snubbing this site. One doesn't antagonize one's customers! Above all, I do think they should employ someone to post updates about what's going on and so forth at their own website. Finally, since Firaxis don't have a forum of their own, they have to read CIC and Apolyton for feedback, and I'm pretty sure they do.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

i'd say they should keep quiet about any new patch in the works, simply to quell the people who acted immature. They should release a change list hte day before the patch is released.

You mean that Firaxis should punish the blasphemers by maintaining absolute silence? That would be quite immature.

 

[Cabay Jet]

Well, speak of the devil...

 

[bovinespy]

I'm begging everybody on my knees: Please don't start another flame war. Please avoid personal attacks and phrases such as "the usual suspects", "a small minority", "fanboys", "whiners", whatever.

What he said.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

What he said.

If I seemed to make a personal attack, I'm sorry. But I do think the suggestion that Firaxis ought to somehow punish posters by maintaining complete silence is quite bizarre.

 

[bovinespy]

If I seemed to make a personal attack, I'm sorry. But I do think the suggestion that Fitaxis ought to somehow punish posters by maintaining complete silence is quite bizarre.

I was trying to support you.

Usually , when I do the sarcasm people notice. This time, not so much...