ATTN Firaxis: New patch in the works?

[King Flevance]

I agree with everything you've said jray, except that I think Firaxis has more to lose than a "very little financial penalty" if they do with BTS as they did with Warlords. I for one will most definitely not pre-order the next Civ title if they do that. And from what I have read on these forums I will not be alone.

I already am not likely to buy CIv 5 on release considering 4's track record. And the only way to do anything about it is for people to not go running for Civ titles as soon as they hit the shelves like they are their next hit of morphine.
What jray said is the sad truth from the eyes of T2 and always has been since they gained the title. Support has been shabby at best for this entire incarnation.

And I will soon explore Galactic Civilizations which might altogether replace my need to Civ.

I would highly recommend checking out Gal Civ 2. SOmetimes, it will get me in the mood to play Civ. But my problem with that game is I can't keep myself out of the shipyard. So when I have been designing ships for 3-5 hours, I want to play a TBS that wont distract me.

I have also stopped gifting, and have stopped trying to get my non-civing friends into the world of Civ. And like I said earlier I know I am not alone in all of this. I think Firaxis has a bit more to lose than just a "very little financial penalty".

I have recently been trying to get my non-civing friends into Civ. I have had them get Civ 3 to sort of pre-play it. They have also downloaded the demo to 4. They bought Civ 3 first because of the price and are liking it. When 4 came out, I told them not to buy because of multiple reasons. I was having them wait for the Civ4/Warlords combo. But by the time that had came out, BTS had been announced, so I told them to hold off for that and just get either Vanilla+BTS, or Gold+BTS hoever they wanted to do it. But now, here I sit saying hold on man, it isn't really patched yet. Now we don't even discuss it that much.
I bought BTS at full price on purpose because I complained so much about Vanilla and Warlords quality I wanted to make sure I supported a quality product. But now, although it is a good expansion, it seems a little rediculous.

But your right, I am quite thankful for both the modding community and for Firaxis making this game so moddable. I do forsee many more hours of playing Ryhes mod and I very much look forward to future versions of FfH2.. along with some other mods still in development. So if the modders can continue to work around the issues of BTS, then I do know that no matter what Firaxis does, the game was still worth the investment.

Well put.
The moddability is really starting to seem to 'save' (for lack of a better word) this version for me. I am happy that Firaxis is allowing such open modding in the game.

I find it odd though that Firaxis doesn't put any announcements on their website for Civ 4. Then if fans want to complain on fansites, that's fine I guess - but the official announcements shouldn't be on fansites IMO. It's like trying to feed a hungry rabid dog by walking in the pen to hand him the steak when you should just throw it into the cage.

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[Öjevind Lång]

I was trying to support you.

Usually , when I do the sarcasm people notice. This time, not so much...

Oops! Well, I appealed to everyone to stay cool (and still do), but then I couldn't help reacting at what I simply regard as an amazing attitude by some posters (who are no doubt gentlemen to the bone and really decent citizens I'd be proud to shake the hands of). I think it is perfectly legitimate to voice dissatisfaction with a game, or with the performance of its publishers. It's not as if we all belong to a church dedicated to the worship of Firaxis Games. We simply wish a great game could be made even greater.

 

[bovinespy]

I think it is perfectly legitimate to voice dissatisfaction with a game, or with the performance of its publishers.

We agree.

 

[Troymk1]

It's because most companies, nay business processes, don't do transperancy real well.

The companies (like the Aforementioned Gal Civ Lot) that do are in the minority. It's simply hard to get people to dot the i's and cross the t's.

While I understand all this and can empathise, Personally I'd like to take a stick to the testers at Firaxis right now...but I daresay they don't speak my language.

 

[entwood]

This is now a different issue. There is no reference point, or catalyst, such as Alexman said something.

If "we" (a big if) chased him away previously, or he left on his own accord, in either case, there does not seem to be any way to get to ATTN Firaxis...or can it be done? They (Firaxis) might just read our info is about it...Right?

 

[mrt144]

You mean that Firaxis should punish the blasphemers by maintaining absolute silence? That would be quite immature.

dont bite the hand that feeds you

and if you do, do it in a pragmatic cute way.

 

[King Flevance]

LOL, I just read IronCrown's post. Is that why Alexman left? I hope not, that was pretty funny. I would think Firaxis has a better sense of humor than that.

Ah, nvm.

That abysmal Firaxis guy got the reaction he deserved. No wonder he run away with the tail between his legs.

Seems like it got pretty nasty.

 

[entwood]

dont bite the hand that feeds you

and if you do, do it in a pragmatic cute way.

Well you started. This point-of-view was bandied about even by some luminaries here. Without writing pages and pages, how about "The hand took the food away".

Oops! Well, I appealed to everyone to stay cool (and still do), but then I couldn't help reacting at what I simply regard as an amazing attitude by some posters (who are no doubt gentlemen to the bone and really decent citizens I'd be proud to shake the hands of). I think it is perfectly legitimate to voice dissatisfaction with a game, or with the performance of its publishers. It's not as if we all belong to a church dedicated to the worship of Firaxis Games. We simply wish a great game could be made even greater.

Sticky that statement. It speaks volumes.

 

[King Flevance]

I think some people ate the hand.

 

[Troymk1]

If Alexman was the only conduit for providing concrete bug reports (note that this was a not a recognised business process, rather just 'cream' in our favour) then I am guessing we're back to sending in bug reports to their support page and crossing fingers.

People keep referring to the guy as "Firaxis" , he just worked there.

Although I've seen the odd abberation, most people that work at a company are not really on board with their corporate values and decision making. They simply work there.

Blaming an employee for the actions/lack of action/silence of the company makes about as much sense as terrorists blowing up civilians on the thinking that all citizens of democracies are equally to blame!

 

[entwood]

I think some people ate the hand.

Touché

(perhaps perhaps)

 

[JFLNYC]

I think some people ate the hand.

Even though Firaxis/Take2 is biting the hands that feed them, my hands are still attached as I believe are most customers'. I guess some people wish they weren't. Then we couldn't be typing.

 

[entwood]

If Alexman was the only conduit for providing concrete bug reports (note that this was a not a recognised business process, rather just 'cream' in our favour) then I am guessing we're back to sending in bug reports to their support page and crossing fingers.

People keep referring to the guy as "Firaxis" , he just worked there.

Blaming an employee for the actions/lack of action/silence of the company makes about as much sense as terrorists blowing up civilians on the thinking that all citizens of democracies are equally to blame!

The analogy is "You cannot shout Fire in a crowded movie theater" or you cannot say "Bomb on an airplane" or maybe you can...and then there might be a reaction to it...

 

[Troymk1]

The analogy is "You cannot shout Fire in a crowded movie theater" or you cannot say "Bomb on an airplane" or maybe you can...and then there might be a reaction to it...

???? because people are foolish, and thus blameless when they act as a mob?


Seems it will be this guys fault whatever happens. Poor bastard!

Anyways. I'm unsubbing from the thread. Have fun!

 

[vra379971]

Would a mod please close this, the infantile attitudes of those here have done enough damage.

 

[bovinespy]

Would a mod please close this, the infantile attitudes of those here have done enough damage.

Pardon me?

 

[King Flevance]

I don't see any reason to close a valid thread. Discussing other fan's views on if Firaxis should release a statement on further news of a patch is a valid enough conversation topic in my book.

I don't see many infantile attitudes in here. Most I am reading are valid consumer opinions. SOme are satyr sure, but I personally found IronCrown's post quite funny as I am sure people at Firaxis would find funny too. (I know I would even if I worked for Firaxis.) I don't know if IronCorwn was trying to be hateful or not but "take it with a grain of salt", and it doesn't matter. It is funny regardless then.

No matter what is said in this thread is not going to change the minds of the subject in question. They will either release news or they won't. So long as the forum rules apply, I see no reason to close it.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

If Alexman was the only conduit for providing concrete bug reports (note that this was a not a recognised business process, rather just 'cream' in our favour) then I am guessing we're back to sending in bug reports to their support page and crossing fingers.

People keep referring to the guy as "Firaxis" , he just worked there.

Just to avoid misunderstandings, when I write Firaxis, I mean Firaxis and not some particular employee of theirs. I can't speak for others, but I suspect their usage is the same.

After all, this thread is about how nice it would be if Firaxis were working on a new patch, and also about how nice it would be if they notified their customers of the fact without necessarily mentioning any definite date for its publication.

 

[King Flevance]

I'm liking how Valve has been patching their products lately. Silently and frequently. Every few days you get a small patch to TF2 with no warning.

I wish this were the case. But since we all know it isn't due to the size of T2 and the amount of titles it has out right now, I think a public response is reasonable.

I believe the only quick patches (as in a few days time) the game has received is from 1.08 to 1.09.

 

[Öjevind Lång]

I don't see any reason to close a valid thread. Discussing other fan's views on if Firaxis should release a statement on further news of a patch is a valid enough conversation topic in my book.

I agree. At the risk of sounding grumpy, let me add that the subject line for this thread clearly informs people as to its content, so those who don't like such discussions can easily choose to read other threads. They could start a thread called "Don't Bite the Hand That Feeds You"; I promise I wouldn't call for it being padlocked.