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[cologne]

i just got civ 4, (german version, thats why i lack some of the vocabulary)
i will use the "***" using german words, and (***) to describe them

simple question, about the "bautrup" (the unit that makes roads and stuff)

i have a qutie simple and strict system
grassland gets irrigation
hills get mines
special-ress get their designaited whatever, which get the most bonus
plains get "hütte" (that new thing makin money and evolving through 4 stages)

my question is this
is it possible to make a mod, that can manipulate the way the unit acts on automation?
i mean, it is not very individual, how i improve my land, it realy has a clear system, so it should be possible to give clear instructions for the automation

is it possible? and, if, how?
or, maby i´m not the first to think this up
is there a mod for it?

 

[Sojuz]

I don't know if there's a mod for improving the workers on automatization. However, i am used to control each worker during first stages of the game, especially in the multiplayer games. Workers may be automatized later. Thrust me, the AI often better knows than human what each city needs. Workers automatically will work around the cities, changing from villages to farms etc... This because the AI knows what each city needs best usually. But for what regards the first eras, it's better to order yourself workers on each improvement.

 

[cologne]

cool
i kinda already had the feeling that might be the fact
played maby 5 games till now (i´m a veteran since civ 1, so i fastly develope an opinion)
but than again i´m not 100% sure the automation is 100% right, or, better sayd, i´m kind of a know it all, so, maby my system is beter, (i still have to figure it out, since 5 games can´t be enough input)

of course, startup is a manual-build-must-be, anyway, even with perfect automation, thats true..... though, there are some conflicts, i think, so, a self manipulated automation might be better (i heard about back and forth building in certain situations)

i think maby a self made "if, then" could solve it ^^
i´m just speculating

someone knows if it is MOD-able?

 

[Seraiel]

Thrust me, the AI often better knows than human what each city needs.

?

 

[Archon_Wing]

The Automated Workers's effectiveness goes down like 90% once you know the wheel. It wasn't that high before, but they'll waste like 643634643 turns building worthless roads and not improving tiles.

They also like to commit suicide a lot when you capture new cities.

There really needs to be a automatic "Clear jungle" command.

I HATE microing workers. However, it's for your own good. :S

 

[vandermerwe]

I don't know if there's a mod for improving the workers on automatization. However, i am used to control each worker during first stages of the game, especially in the multiplayer games. Workers may be automatized later. Thrust me, the AI often better knows than human what each city needs. Workers automatically will work around the cities, changing from villages to farms etc... This because the AI knows what each city needs best usually. But for what regards the first eras, it's better to order yourself workers on each improvement.

Sorry, but that's just wrong. For proof that the AI doesn't know better - take a look at pretty much any established AI city. No specialisation, resources not connected, working unimproved tiles, and so on. To use your example - OK, there are maybe some situations where you might want to replace cottages with farms (perhaps, to run urgently needed artist specialists if you're under culture pressure). But you'd have to be pretty desperate to give up the worker turns used in building the cottage in the first place. And there's no way that worker automation will identify and act on those situations anyway.

To the OP - your system, whatever it is, is almost certainly better. Stick with it.

 

[Sojuz]

Ok perhaps i needed to explain myself more. Meanwhile it is true they do commit suicide (rarely), they do build a lot of worthless roads, i ALSO said that you may NOT automatize them in the first eras of the game, let's say until renaissance? But why would i automatize workers? Well, when your empire has like 20-30 cities, it gets kind of annoying checking each single damn city, i still somtimes do it with the capital or when i see a famine, but still would be really time-consuming-raping. Automatizing workers, AFTER the most is done, is not a bad idea, especially for the single player. Multyplay is kind of different.

 

[Pojman]

Thrust me,

Sorry dude, not sure if anyone here wants to thrust you.

 

[MilesBeyond]

I tend to get my system of improvements up and running by maybe the Medieval period, and then set all my Workers on automated trade network. That way they'll flock like seagulls to any new resources that pop up without me having to worry about it, and I get an extensive Railroad network up and running as soon as the tech becomes available. It also means they're out and about so if I need to start changing some of my improvements around, they're usually nearby.

 

[Seraiel]

Ok perhaps i needed to explain myself more. Meanwhile it is true they do commit suicide (rarely), they do build a lot of worthless roads, i ALSO said that you may NOT automatize them in the first eras of the game, let's say until renaissance? But why would i automatize workers? Well, when your empire has like 20-30 cities, it gets kind of annoying checking each single damn city, i still somtimes do it with the capital or when i see a famine, but still would be really time-consuming-raping. Automatizing workers, AFTER the most is done, is not a bad idea, especially for the single player. Multyplay is kind of different.

You can give consecutive orders with Shift.

Sorry dude, not sure if anyone here wants to thrust you.

I already did, look at the smilies

 

[s.bernbaum]

@cologne:
English for "hütte" is "cottage" in the CIV game.
English for "bautrup" is "worker" in the CIV game.

As for worker automation, if you must use it be sure to go to the options screen and check off the options to not replace existing improvements and to not chop forests. Otherwise, your forests will get randomly chopped and the workers will be constantly replacing improvements that you want with ones that you don't want. Personally, I would say take the time to control the workers yourself.

 

[OneLeggedRhino]

I'd recommend controlling the workers yourself. There must be exceptions to your scheme. Also, your scheme is definitely not what high-level players usually do, so you'll probably want to change the pattern eventually, meaning it's not all that valuable to automate those particular rules.

 

[stoferb]

I don't mind workers building roads, heck that's all they can do by the mideval time, but automated workers are really, really dumb. They cannot chain irrigate properly, they put cottages on hills, which is a waste, they cottage obvious production cities and farm obvious commerce cities, they put down way too many wind mills, but worse of all instead of the nearest guy going to do something, someone from the other side of the empire gets the order so they spend most of their time travelling.

 

[God-Emperor]

There is a mod that lets you select what kinds of things workers will do, possibly even on a city by city basis, although I think it is part of the rather large Rise of Mankind: A New Dawn mod, and Caveman to Cosmos which is derived from it - I don't think it was in plain Rise of Mankind and I don't think it is in BULL. I don't know if it was ever a separate stand-alone mod or made specifically for RoM:AND and never released separately. It adds things (or possibly an entire tab) to the BUG options screen where you can make the selections.

Aside from that, I can't tell you much about it since I have never used it. I almost never automate any workers and on the rare occasions when I do it is only trade route building automation (making roads and hooking up resources).

 

[cologne]

thanks for all your input

..... Also, your scheme is definitely not what high-level players usually do, .....

meaning what?
what strategies are mainly established?

 

[Seraiel]

There's a complete Guide on city-specialization in the war-academy, it's quite well written.

Usually, as a high lvl player, you want to have something like +6 surplus (maybe even more) so that the city grows fast even while whipping. One will want to specialize cities to cities with mines, farms, workshops (those get multiplying buildings and mainly build wealth or units, then they get a barracks in addition and maybe even a stable) or cities, those get the surplus rest all cottages / mines and especially windmills (these cities get more buildings like i. e. a library, a bank, basically the multiplyer buildings. ) What all cities have in common is only the granary.

At last, one wants to have at least 1 GP Farm, that one has at best some mines to build some wonders, some forrests to chop them out, and loads of . This city gets all Farms and works Specialists for .

But these are only the basics in short. Building "mixed" cities like with your system is subpar.

 

[JBryan314]

Trust me, the AI often better knows than human what each city needs.

Careful with that thought. That's how "Skynet" came to be...

J/K.

Sort of.

 

[ChanceDanger]

You can influence your automated workers with your city governor, if I'm not mistaken. If you go to the city screen, to the right of your build options, the buttons allow you to tell the governor which tiles to work (not totally competent but better than without any guidance). I believe TMIT has an Immortal difficulty victory using both governor and automated workers and there's a write-up somewhere on the forum, though I don't know the name.

 

[gps]

i just got civ 4, (german version, thats why i lack some of the vocabulary)

To make things easier in the future: there (usually) is no difference between European versions except the packaging. Even with the "German" version you should be able to change languages anytime you want in the options menu...

 

[rah]

I really wish in the settings for automated workers there was an option to fix sabotaged squares.