Autocensor Changes

[Moss]

False positives are demonstrably not limited to non-english words.

Is it really that difficult to find another way, without using a banned word, to make your point or say what you wanted to say?

 

[Valkrionn]

Is it really that difficult to find another way, without using a banned word, to make your point or say what you wanted to say?

No. I still despise the principle of this.

As I have said, there are better methods of regulating what is acceptable in a post. However, as the moderators have made abundantly clear, no other alternative will be considered.

I would love to have the reasoning for that refusal explained. Because frankly, I find it absolutely ridiculous. When given the choice between an abacus and a calculator, people choose the calculator; Yet here, you are stubbornly sticking with the abacus. Why?

 

[ripple01]

Is it really that difficult to find another way, without using a banned word, to make your point or say what you wanted to say?

"I have sworn upon the altar of God, eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man." - Thomas Jefferson

Your support of this policy is quite ironic considering the Jefferson quote in your signature.

 

[Mathilda]

No. I still despise the principle of this.

As I have said, there are better methods of regulating what is acceptable in a post. However, as the moderators have made abundantly clear, no other alternative will be considered.

I would love to have the reasoning for that refusal explained. Because frankly, I find it absolutely ridiculous. When given the choice between an abacus and a calculator, people choose the calculator; Yet here, you are stubbornly sticking with the abacus. Why?

My guess is that it's because we know those same people that Bill3000 does and see more work, not less.

 

[Moss]

Your support of this policy is quite ironic considering the Jefferson quote in your signature.

Nope, but only because I know the difference between censoring language on a private forum on the internet and the type of tyranny Jefferson was talking about.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

So, just to be sure, we are allowed to be as impolite and rude as possible, as long as we aren't flaming and aren't swearing, or using any term that might possibly offend someone somewhere?

(I'm thinking about censoring random words in my posts now, like "game" or "Five")

 

[Cutlass]

Your support of this policy is quite ironic considering the Jefferson quote in your signature.

You do realize that this place is private property, right?

 

[Moss]

So, just to be sure, we are allowed to be as impolite and rude as possible, as long as we aren't flaming and aren't swearing, or using any term that might possibly offend someone somewhere?

(I'm thinking about censoring random words in my posts now, like "game" or "Five")

Nope, impoliteness and rudeness will be infracted as well, as they always have been.

 

[Hygro]

To me, it's not more censorship but better censorship.

Please take a conscientious second look at that statement.

 

[IdiotsOpposite]

Please take a conscientious second look at that statement.

I'll admit, I can see what he's talking about. That doesn't mean I agree with it, but I can see what he means with that statement.

Basically, the same rules are being covered but with less infractions. Right?

I still don't agree with it, because it seems like a collective punishment for what I feel should be an individual issue.

 

[Moss]

Please take a conscientious second look at that statement.

Our goal is to censor/bannish certain words from the site (of which there is much disagreement as to whether this is the right goal).

How is the new system not better in doing that?

Basically, the same rules are being covered but with less infractions. Right?

We hope. Of course, evading the autocensor will still be infractable, but there will no longer be infractions/warnings for triggering the autocensor because that's no longer an issue.

 

[LoneGamer]

CFC has an autocensor in place to prevent people posting swear/cuss words. We have modified this autocensor in a manner that it now prevents people making a post with these words in it. It does this by a workaround of the vBulletin software, that changes the word to images, however changes it to enough images that the post can't be posted.
You will get an error message telling you this, and if this appears, please go back and remove the offending word(s) and try posting again. Remember: Our view is that people can make their points without resorting to such language.
Discuss this change in the Site Feedback Forum.

This is bothering me, now I have to scroll down more when I'm going through the forums. FIX IT NIAOW.

Besides that, it's the only change I have noticed from this. I spent a long time reading all 10 pages in this thread, many good points have been raised on both ends.

Valkrionn making many, imo, that he keeps repeating over and over when people try to shoot it down. People should take the time to read this thread or at least his posts before they reply and make him repeat himself. But hey what do I know, I joined this forum a few months ago and am in my 20's.

I do like the karma idea because it gives people ranking's and I think it would make people report/be polite/etc in order to have a better ranking. Like Sid Meier said, You can almost not reward the player enough in the early stages of the game.

If people are new and get rewarded for good behavior then they will want to continue on that path. But again, what do I know.

 

[Moss]

This is bothering me, now I have to scroll down more when I'm going through the forums. FIX IT NIAOW.

In the top right corner (IIRC) of the announcement, there is an X, if you click that, the message will go away.

 

[Takhisis]

Even so, it's pone extra flick of the wheel or tap of the keyboard. Are you that lazy?

 

[LoneGamer]

In the top right corner (IIRC) of the announcement, there is an X, if you click that, the message will go away.

Thank you good sir. Much appreciated.

Even so, it's pone extra flick of the wheel or tap of the keyboard. Are you that lazy?

Sarcasm. Look it up. I thought the gave it away.

 

[Takhisis]

You could have noticed the too

 

[LoneGamer]

You could have noticed the too

Lol, fair enough. Much love.

 

[Birdjaguar]

No. I still despise the principle of this.

As I have said, there are better methods of regulating what is acceptable in a post. However, as the moderators have made abundantly clear, no other alternative will be considered.

I would love to have the reasoning for that refusal explained. Because frankly, I find it absolutely ridiculous. When given the choice between an abacus and a calculator, people choose the calculator; Yet here, you are stubbornly sticking with the abacus. Why?

Remember the goal: Keep swear words off the forum

Current system:
--Eliminates need to monitor posts not allowed to post
--Report function allows mods to deal with the rest
Downside:
--Annoys those who see a blanket policy as an infringement on their free speech even if they don't post banned words.
--Perceived as heavy handed
--May drive a few posters away from CFC

Karma system:
--Relies on the community to monitor and vote down banned words
--Report function allows mods to deal with the rest
Downside:
--Community can be manipulated. Up votes will cancel down votes
--Swear words won't disappear immediately unless a moderator steps in.
--Karma introduces other potential problems that are not currently present in the forums

Alternate method:
Approach: if they are here they can't post banned words
--1 month ban for posting banned words, no exceptions
--Build community through other methods that don't involve using voting systems

 

[Kozmos]

To me, it's not more censorship but better censorship.

As Mathilda said, triggering the autocensor has always been against the rules.

Now you say trigger, but if I intentionally put asterisks to SAFEGUARD YOUNG AND EASILY OFFENDED MINDS and not actually trigger it, I don't see the big deal. All of you got this dogmatic interpretation that 'Thou shalt not trigger the autocensor' because it was so before. Even for the n-th time that I read the rules it doesn't mention the autocensor once. All we got is your word that it is illegal or against the wishes of TF. I've never seen him take a stance on it.

I can understand the need for having a nice friendly forum, where people can open threads and have civil discussions on xyz or open a thread to make witty puns on news or simply laugh at another users stolen pants (and video camera). Remember those times? Those were good times. Now every thread has to have discussion or be moved elsewhere!

Eh...I digress, as I wanted to say swear words are not required. I sure as don't approve of them very much. However they happen and if they are censored to SAFEGUARD YOUNG AND EASILY OFFENDED MINDS I really cant see the problem.

 

[Moss]

Now you say trigger, but if I intentionally put asterisks to SAFEGUARD YOUNG AND EASILY OFFENDED MINDS and not actually trigger it, I don't see the big deal.

Just to clarify: Triggering AND evading the autocensor have been against the rules for as long as I can remember. Putting asterisks would be in the evading part. The reason for this (and the reason that the prior method of using the smilies to censor the words wasn't ideal) is because even though the word may be censored - whether by smilies or asterisks - people still knew what word was meant to be said.