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[REDY]

You have it wrong, Avatar is mix of Pocahontas movie and Albion video game. At least my friend so

 

[Newbunkle]

There are plenty of reasons I like the movie. I've always been fascinated with how alien worlds might look. There was a short series of documentaries on UK TV a while back about how the Earth might look if evolution continues for a few more million years. I love that kind of thing - I was always looking out to see if I could spot new creatures in each scene.

Another reason I loved it is because so much sci-fi recently has been dark and depressing. I love a good old fashioned adventure and a happy ending. I don't mind love stories either. I thought the movie was sweet. Jake and Neytiri 4eva!! <3 <3

I enjoyed the 3D a lot too. I hope we get a lot more of this kind of 3D in future. I'm sure they'd like to make extra money selling or loaning their technology.

 

[bestrfcplayer]

I just saw it yesterday. Avatar is the best movie that I've seen. The graphics were amazing, and the plot was better than I expected.

 

[Newbunkle]

Yeah I liked the story. I don't get why people are whining so much.

 

[warpus]

It was less-pronounced in the first Alien movie, but there was a slimy corporate presence in the form of Ash. He was under special orders to bring back an alien for study, and "all other considerations are secondary".

It's been a recurring theme in all the Alien movies, but it gets worse and worse as the series goes (which isn't saying much, because the movies themselves get worse and worse--they should have stopped at two).

Avatar, of course, takes the theme way too far. The simplistic and obvious plot and characters, combined with the PG-13 rating, makes me wonder if Cameron specifically intended this to be a kids' movie?

A good movie has a layer for kids and a layer for adults to enjoy. (edward scissorhands, the simpsons, shrek, etc.)

A big corporation that has way too much power makes the perfect villain though - I still don't see an anti-business message. You're just seeing stuff that isn't there in these movies.

 

[warpus]

I enjoyed the 3D a lot too. I hope we get a lot more of this kind of 3D in future. I'm sure they'd like to make extra money selling or loaning their technology.

The 3D in the movie was good, I gotta admit, but having said that most other movies that make use of the technology go down the "let's make it gimmicky" avenue, in which case the 3D becomes the focus of the movie, rather than the plot and characters.

I think they also gotta improve the technology quite a bit before it becomes inserted into the majority of movies.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Sat down, turned off and enjoyed the hell out of the movie.

Did anyone else who watched the 3d move get very dry eyes watching it?

 

[Ecofarm]

I do think the real world and the movie are uncomparable. The fact that people rush to compare them is telling of the disease that infects us within the capitalist ideology - the desire to create unities where there are none and to dominate objects with a vision dictated by the subject. It begins when we decide to use price mechanisms, especially when we regard them as a real way to measure some sort of inherent worth to adjudicate between things that are uncomparable.

Maybe? Though I don't think so. It's not symbolism so much as the eagerness to draw comparisons and to measure things against each other. Sure, I think something like Avatar may be able to tell us something about the real world, although I doubt it will stand under scrutiny in this case, but to compare it with what happened or happens in the real world requires too much imagination.

Also, I think it's not a symptom of capitalism. Rather, it shares a similar premise with capitalist ideology.

China plans to pull Avatar from most cinemas, despite the long queues for tickets, to make way for a more patriotic film the censors deem more appropriate &#8211; a life of Confucius.

The move comes amid government anxiety that many Chinese are making a link between the plight of the film's Na’vi, who face being displaced form their homeland, and that of those in China who are subject to often brutal evictions by property developers.

Hong Kong’s Apple Daily said the state-run China Film Group had instructed cinemas nationwide to stop showing the ordinary version of Avatar from January 23 on orders from Beijing’s propaganda czars.

The newspaper said: &#8220;Reportedly, the authorities have two reasons for this check on Avatar: first, it has taken in too much money and has seized market share from domestic films, and second, it may lead audiences to think about forced removal, and may possibly incite violence.&#8221;

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article6992685.ece


Apparently, communists and not just capitalists are big on symbolism.


Let's see now... how many capitalist countries have pulled the movie from theaters? Wow... It seems that while everyone sees symbolism, only communists ban stuff because of it.

 

[warpus]

Did anyone else who watched the 3d move get very dry eyes watching it?

YES. That was annoying.

I thought it was my contacts.

 

[Kosez]

Seen it. Very disappointed. After one hour 3D and high tech effects are not interesting any more. Then you begin to follow the story. Which is one of the biggest clichés ever.

 

[aelf]

Apparently, communists and not just capitalists are big on symbolism.

Uh, I wasn't talking about symbolism. holyking was the one who brought it up. I have no problem with symbolism.

Let's see now... how many capitalist countries have pulled the movie from theaters? Wow... It seems that while everyone sees symbolism, only communists ban stuff because of it.

I don't think the issue is about symbolism.

 

[Ecofarm]

Symbolism, blahblahism or whatever you want to call it, I don't care. Have the semantic argument with someone else.

The CCP did it more than anyone, so your capitalism -> relating the movie to real life idea is blown out of the water.

If I might be so presumptous, your next argument (the one that always comes after semantics when someone's anti-capitalist propaganda is obliterated by the actions of China): "The CCP is not communist". I shall pre-emptively respond with: I know, noone is communist and everyone is capitalist... that way, we can conveniently blame everything on capitalism.

 

[aelf]

Symbolism, blahblahism or whatever you want to call it, I don't care. Have the semantic argument with someone else.

The CCP did it more than anyone, so your capitalism -> relating the movie to real life idea is blown out of the water.

How is the CCP comparing the movie to real events (i.e. what I'm talking about, not "relating the movie to real life", which is vague)?

If I might be so presumptous, your next argument (the one that always comes after semantics when someone's nti-capitalist idea is obliterated): "The CCP is not communist". I shall pre-emptively respond with: I know, noone is communist and everyone is capitalist... that way, we can easily blame everything on capitalism.

I dunno. I thought that someone with some working knowledge of a subject might be able to say something worthwhile about it, but apparently anybody with an opinion on the internet can obliterate and debunk anything that person might say

 

[Ecofarm]

How is the CCP comparing the movie to real events (i.e. what I'm talking about, not "relating the movie to real life", which is vague)?

You didn't read the article I posted?

“Reportedly, the authorities have two reasons for this check on Avatar: first, it has taken in too much money and has seized market share from domestic films, and second, it may lead audiences to think about forced removal, and may possibly incite violence.”

The CCP has banned the film from theaters because they compare it to real life.

 

[aelf]

You didn't read the article I posted?

It says the CCP fears that people would compare what happens in the movie with what is happening to them.

 

[Ecofarm]

Yeah dude. The CCP is SO scared that the movie WILL be compared to real life, that they banned it. They BANNED the movie from theaters because it compares to real life.

If it does't compare to real life, WTH are they worried about?

Thus, they expressly admit that it does, and in such a way as to endanger their government.

The move comes amid government anxiety that many Chinese are making a link between the plight of the film's Na’vi, who face being displaced form their homeland, and that of those in China who are subject to often brutal evictions by property developers.

 

[aelf]

I still don't see how they're the ones making the comparison.

People do stuff, whether you like it or not and whether it's correct or not. And is pretending that they don't going to help you?

 

[Ecofarm]

Chinese people are not communist?

It must be all those capitalist Chinamen doing this!

 

[aelf]

Chinese people are not communist?

Why don't you ask plarq?

It must be all those capitalist Chinamen doing this!

It seems to me that those are in fact members of the proletariat who are being evicted by the capitalists.

 

[jUmpSt0p]

well, back to AVATAR for just a second.

it won Best Director and Best Drama at the Golden Globes last night.

it was so funny each time he won, because they cut to these other directors who made much more "art-house" type films, and the expressions on the faces of the 'losers' (the other directors, basically, in each category) ..

well, let's just say "sour grapes" is a nice way of putting how they looked!

hahahah. you could just read exactly what they really thought about the "great James Cameron"