Banned by PBS

[skadistic]

"So, the only way you can stop us, is to stop democracy. . ."

I liked that part. So the only way to beat radical islam is to give in to it and become a radical muslim.

I have watched a lot of documentaries and shows on the History Channel, and whenever a documentary begins with the 'scary' music, you can pretty much tell it is unfairly unbalanced.

How can a documentary that is about militant radicals and how they treat moderates be unfairly balanced? Were the radicals portrayed in a unfair light? Were their own words taken out of context?

 

[ohcrapitsnico]

I can say first hand I've met a few people who thought I was a radical muslim and just evil and said that to my face when they knew I was muslim. I can sympathize with other moderates out there. In the real world I generally don't tell people I am muslim because of the stereotype.

I don't really understand why they would waste so much of money without telling the guys first, we want it like this, instead of waiting for them to finsih and give them something they don't want and waste a buttload of tax money. What a waste of time...

 

[Smidlee]

I don't really understand why they would waste so much of money without telling the guys first, we want it like this, instead of waiting for them to finsih and give them something they don't want and waste a buttload of tax money. What a waste of time...

Because it's taxpayers money. It's shouldn't surprise anyone our government wastes a lot of money. It's been reported on world news before there's is even a whole Battleship missing that the taxpayers pay for.

 

[Harbringer]

Radicals of anything irk me, moderates of any group arent very vocal, so it only takes one radical who is yelling in a room to black label himself and all the moderates, and this is exactly whats happening in the world today. Im pretty sure Christians were black labeled back during the crusades for a while, hopefully it will pass.

 

[Homie]

"So, the only way you can stop us, is to stop democracy. . ."

I have watched a lot of documentaries and shows on the History Channel, and whenever a documentary begins with the 'scary' music, you can pretty much tell it is unfairly unbalanced.

I completely agree. I hate it when they do that, it is appealing to our senses rather than our reason. Which is stupid in this case, because one can make a pretty compelling case for the horror of Islam without using "scary music" and other such sleezy ways of getting the viewers on your side.

But I'll see all the parts before making any further comments.

Summer project: Reading the Koran.
I am sick and tired of "experts" telling me Islam is a religion of peace.

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

I am sick and tired of "experts" telling me Islam is a religion of peace.

Yeah, why listen to people who have studied for their entire lives when you can spend a couple of months and form your own bigoted opinion?

You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to read the book of Leviticus, without any help from a pastor/priest/biblical scholar, and based on a few verses in that book I'm going to reaffirm my preconceived notion that Christianity is a hateful religion.

 

[sonorakitch]

Yeah, why listen to people who have studied for their entire lives when you can spend a couple of months and form your own bigoted opinion?

You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to read the book of Leviticus, without any help from a pastor/priest/biblical scholar, and based on a few verses in that book I'm going to reaffirm my preconceived notion that Christianity is a hateful religion.

Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land

Koran 8:50
If you could see when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers at death. How they smite their faces and backs saying "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire"

Koran 2:39
Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They shall be Companions of the Fire and abide in it.

Koran 58:5
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty

Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/index.html

Leviticus may proclaim that disobediant followers of Judaism/Christianity will have their children eaten by wild wolves, but it doesn't condone the destruction of the non-followers. BIG difference there.

It is not unreasonable to think Islam is a religion disproportionately responsible for global violence, just as it is not unreasonable to recognize most Muslims reject this same violence.

~Chris

 

[Pasi Nurminen]

Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land

Koran 8:50
If you could see when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers at death. How they smite their faces and backs saying "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire"

Koran 2:39
Those who reject faith (Islam) and belie our signs, They shall be Companions of the Fire and abide in it.

Koran 58:5
Those who resist Allah and His Messenger will be crumbled to dust, as were those before them: for we have already sent down Clear Signs and the Unbelievers will have a humiliating Penalty

Koran 17:16-17
When we decide to destroy a population, we send a definite order to them who have the good things in life and yet transgress; so that Allah's word is proved true against them: then we destroy them utterly. How many generations have we destroyed after Noah? And enough is thy Lord to note and see the Sins of his servants

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/war/index.html

Leviticus may proclaim that disobediant followers of Judaism/Christianity will have their children eaten by wild wolves, but it doesn't condone the destruction of the non-followers. BIG difference there.

It is not unreasonable to think Islam is a religion disproportionately responsible for global violence, just as it is not unreasonable to recognize most Muslims reject this same violence.

~Chris

Are you going to provide any context at all for those verses? If not, I got your violent religion, right here:

If anyone slays a person
- unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land -
it would be as if he slew all people.
And if anyone saves a life,
it would be as if he saved the life of all people.
Qur'an 5:32

Invite all to the way of your Lord
with wisdom and beautiful preaching.
And argue with them
in ways that are best and most gracious...
And if you punish,
let your punishment be proportional
to the wrong that has been done to you.
But if you show patience, that is indeed the best course.
Be patient, for your patience is from God.
And do not grieve over them,
or distress yourself because of their plots.
For God is with those who restrain themselves,
and those who do good.
Qur'an 16:125-128

If two, of the believers take up arms against one another, make peace between them. If either of them commits aggression against the other, fight against the aggressors until they submit to God's judgment. When they submit make peace between them in equity and justice. God loves those who act in justice.
Qur'an 49:9

O you, those who have faith, when you go out to fight in the path of God, make things clear and do not say to someone who gives you peace, "You are not a believer," - you coveting the pleasures of the life of the world, and with God is abundant reward. You were the same as that before, then God was gracious to you. So make it clear. Surely God is aware of what you do. - Surah an-Nisa verse 94

As for the Bible:

When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. If they refuse to make peace with you in battle, lay siege to that city. When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

However, in the cities of the nations the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes. Completely destroy them - the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites - as the Lord your God has commanded you. Otherwise they will teach you to follow all the detestable things they do in worshipping their gods, and you will sin against the Lord your God. Deuteronomy20:1O-189

Seriously, we could try to out-google each other all day, but there's no real point.

 

[bob bobato]

To quote Frasier Crane from Frasier,"Who watches PBS?".

 

[Princeps]

Its funny when they say that Islam is so violent religion... they forget that the Bible is probably one of the most genocidal books in our canon. Of course, that's something which is rarely mentioned in mainstream media.

Edit: I don't really care about religion --- or exact theological interpitations, fundamentalism has very little to do with religion.

 

[skadistic]

Its funny when people point to the bible in their attempts at relativism to divert attention away from the subject that is islam.

Pasi you could have put those koran passages in context you self and proved your own point. But you didn't. Why not?

 

[amadeus]

They didnt have any problems showing a doc that cut into the Mormons.

You don't have the Council on American-Mormon Relations...

 

[ohcrapitsnico]

I didn't know all of you were Koran experts.

All of you are like the terrorists and take the koran literally, in an attempt to describe what you are doing to the Koran it is like going to the bible and basing your views on it by simply reading it. I have read much of the bible and there is as much bad stuff in there as in the koran. Don't critique my religion until you realize you could do the exact same to your religion. It is not my place and none of yours to critique a religion especially one you haven't been educated in and an expert on. I ask you to have a little respect because I do.

 

[Princeps]

Its funny when people point to the bible in their attempts at relativism to divert attention away from the subject that is islam.

No, really, I only see it as elementary moral -- apply the same standard to every believe.

 

[skadistic]

I didn't know all of you were Koran experts.

All of you are like the terrorists and take the koran literally, in an attempt to describe what you are doing to the Koran it is like going to the bible and basing your views on it by simply reading it. I have read much of the bible and there is as much bad stuff in there as in the koran. Don't critique my religion until you realize you could do the exact same to your religion. It is not my place and none of yours to critique a religion especially one you haven't been educated in and an expert on. I ask you to have a little respect because I do.

So because I'm an atheist I can't critique any religion? Islam "the religion of peace" openly calls for my death as a non-believer. You try to twist that to mean something else but that is what the warmonger muhamid wanted of his subjects.

It is those from outside the religion who are best to critique it. And its not like the "experts" on this forum are alone in their views but share them with real experts.

Since you are a muslim maybe you can put the questionable koran verses "in context".

Koran 5:33
The Punishment for those who oppose Allah and his messenger is : Execution or Crucifixion or the cutting off of hands and feet from opposite sides or exile from the land

[2.191] And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

 

[Smidlee]

The problem with the Koran from what I've heard is it's a mess. A Christian missionary in the Arab nations once replied he wished he could uses the Koran to win people to God but found it worthless and so poorly written. In some parts it promotes peace while another the exact opposite. I remember watching on world news a Muslim expert (priest) agreeing there is these contradictions which a Muslim can go either way depending on what part of the Koran one uses.

In Leviticus there's no doubt it's addressing to the Levities (priest) which the Hebrews made an vow to God that they could keep God's laws. God warned the Law is without mercy and man couldn't keep them thus they will need a Messiah.(The Hebrews were not save from Egypt because they were more righteous than the Egyptians as the Law clearly showed they weren't but by God's Grace they were saved) So even the book like Leviticus, which states for example adultery requires death yet never enforced, clearly points to a Messiah/Saviour and the need of God's Grace.

 

[ohcrapitsnico]

Becuase I am not an expert nor have the authority to say what that means I will do my best to explain things.

The best thing I can say is the Koran also states tolerance and to live peacefully with those of other religions and in the middle ages that happened without a doubt and without question in most cases,(the ottomans didn't follow that very well in relation to the devshirmeh system). Why is Islam so violent today? IMO some people only like to read some parts of the Quran and completely blow that out of proportion and just be so stupid and insular. I find it disgusting really how many muslims view Jews as evil, even though two jews I have known very well were backstabbing liars and were generally just hurtful and spiteful I continue to believe that not all Jews are evil. Many islamic youths today are so backwards and barbaric because all they want to do is hate.

Some people choose to view the Quran in very one sided ways and they are terrorists and various kinds of anti-muslims and islamists.

 

[Princeps]

The problem with the Koran from what I've heard is it's a mess.

Actually, from what I've heard some converts say, compared to the Bible, Koran has far less contradictions and is generally much less messy than the bible.

I don't know, I haven't read Koran, but Bible sure is a mess, its full of contradictions.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Religion does not equal it's religious scripture.

 

[Godwynn]

I find it more appalling that people take what is printed in those books literally more so than what is actually printed inside of them.